The LGBT thread (Revisited)

[JWeinCom]

Pemalite said:

JWeinCom said:

Changing in front of people you know and can identify in a situation where there would presumably be accountability if anything inappropriate happened is different from a public bathroom situation.  

The fire station has windowed front doors to the base for the world to see us changing, I have no issues changing in front of other people, sometimes that's the case when you need to strip off in public down to your undies due to my PBI golds being contaminated, which has happened a few times.
It's just a bit of human skin, it's not the end of the world, nothing that hasn't been seen before.

And mens toilets generally have a urinal where you are doing your business in front of other people anyway.

Plus toilets have private stalls if you want privacy. - I stand by that public toilets should be gender neutral.

Toilets will always be used for nefarious reasons regardless of gender segmentation, thus it can't really be used as an excuse to retain segmentation.

I think you underestimate the ability of men to be sketchy if you think the doors on stalls are really going to stop them. And whether or not some people will always do sketchy things in bathrooms, the question is if we can minimize those things through segregation.  

Lets suppose that studies find that women being harassed is actually a problem in non-segregated bathrooms.  What is the benefit to non-segregated bathrooms that would outweigh this issue?

Runa216 said:

JWeinCom said:

Changing in front of people you know and can identify in a situation where there would presumably be accountability if anything inappropriate happened is different from a public bathroom situation.  

What about gay/bi people? I happen to find both men and women attractive...does that mean I shouldn't be allowed in any public bathroom?

Generally, in sexual harassment/abuse, the aggressors tend to be men and the victims female.  Male/male or female/female sexual harassment doesn't tend to be as big of an issue.  So there's not that much need to keep gay/bi people out of men's rooms.

Regardless though, bi people need access to bathrooms.  So, even if male/male or female/female harassment was a major concern, we'd have to allow bi people in bathrooms because there's really no alternative.  Aside from the fact that I don't know how we'd possibly enforce it, the harm done by not allowing bi people access to any bathroom would outweigh the harm done by some of them potentially using bathrooms to harass people. 

On the contrary though, we already have a system in place that can reduce the risk of men harassing or assaulting women, which can be implemented without denying anyone access to restrooms.  So, in that case, why not use this system?