Iranian General Killed by US Attack

[Eagle367]

sales2099 said:

Eagle367 said:

I believe quite a few Americans know that they aren't actually always the good guys. And I'm not talking about absolutism but relativity. When I say good guys, I mean comparatively. But quite a few Americans do believe that the US does absolute good, whatever that means.

And let's look at it from not an American or western perspective but rather a Farsi perspective. You have this empire that overthrew your elected leader in the 1950s and subjected you to a rule under some vile puppet for decades which resulted in a revolution. But this revolution gave some bad actors power and not the people. Your country's entire trajectory completely changed for the worse because of this. On top of that this empire sided with a dictator from your neighboring country when it was convenient and then disposed of him when not. This same empire caused chaos in another neighbor of yours, which resulted in terrorism from 3 of your neighboring countries(Pak, AFG, Iraq).

Then this empire continues to cause chaos in your part of the world and their shenanigans keep bringing up new terrorist organisations that are a threat to the security of your entire region. And on top of that, this empire forces sanctions on your country and forces the rest of the world to oblige which inflates prices, makes your currency very worthless and is a constant cause of suffering for the poor of your people while the rich have ways to get by without any problems, so who they claim to hurt isn't actually being hurt but getting powerful.

And this brilliant military man stands up against this evil empire that keeps causing chaos and is a thorn on their side. Sure his methods are extreme but the empire has been causing chaos for so long that anything less than extreme might not be enough. The empire has been the cause of the death, suffering and even torture of so many of your people and the people of your neighbors but this guy is actually delivering damage to said empire. How will the death of such a figure make you feel? 

I'm not saying that Suleimani is some saviour and I'm not justifying any innocents he's murdered but trying to see it from the perspective of the side that you rarely consider. My point, though is that I disagree and besides, from a neutral perspective, Suleimani hasn't done anything the Americans haven't done themselves over the years. Suleimani doesn't fit the bill. He is as evil as the US army at the most. From where I stand, he is less evil than the US Army. The comparison of the magnitude of damage caused by the two is incomparable. 

You do bring up an interesting point about your own people prospering while others suffer. And even that doesn't apply to the US. It might apply to the Israel and Palestine situation, but not the US. See doing these wars and killing these people doesn't make the lives of the US citizens any better and I would argue it makes their lives slightly worse. Of course the military industrial complex gets a lot of money from conflict and the war profiteers make a pretty penny but the average American is either not affected at all or is hurt by this nonsense. I would argue the US has been the more evil one in almost all of the modern conflicts with other countries, especially in the middle east, Africa and South America. 

Give me a legitimate reason why you think Suleimani is more evil than the US? I'm sure I have plenty of counter examples ready for the US doing something just as bad, if not worse.

Nope sorry I’m not getting more involved in this other then this post as I don’t debate terror sympathizers. I can imagine this is where you say the US is responsible for more terror. And all I can say is that US citizens have religious/expression/speech/gender freedoms where as the countries they intervene in do not (at least by comparison by a wide margin). And it’s this lack of social progress that is responsible for most of their problems and if not for them the US wouldn’t intervene in the first place. 

That's a lie otherwise Saudi Arabia and Israel would be at the top of this list. And to claim a country who hasn't been in a war for so long aka Iran and one of their generals is terror inducing opens the floodgates. The US has killed more innocents than most, if not all terrorist organisations in the last few decades. And let's not forget they work with dictators all the time and worked with the dictator they later killed as I pointed out. And the fact that Iran ELECTED someone democratically and were well on their way to be a much better country before the US got their grubby little hands on it. Most Pakistanis outside of smaller villages hadn't seen guns their entire lives and lived in peace before the US shenanigans created Al Qaeda and then invaded Afghanistan for no real reason. 

Give me actual evidence regarding that ludicrous claim. I have plenty that shows this is more about control and power than anything else and the US first of all didn't invade nations for the reason you mentioned and secondly, they have no right to invade nations for any reason. If you ask the people of the world, the biggest threat to peace is even to be the US. And if you go around the world, you will realise the contempt and fear of the US army and CIA that people have. No one buys American propaganda bs outside US except a very very small minority. Of we were to rank nations based on their shenanigans, Iran is way down the list. There are plenty of countries that come before it.

Also I told you to look at it from an Irani perspective. You think sympathizing with iranis is terror sympathy? No where did I sympathize with any government, Irani or US and I did not sympathize with the general either. I just look at the facts and the facts show that the US has done far worse things than Iran as a whole. Remember we are talking about foreign policy here, not domestic. Of course the US is better than Iran domestically but that also could have been different had the US not dome what it did in the 50s and to other countries subsequently.