PS5 build cost more than 450 USD , Sony probably having a hard time deciding the retail price

[Trumpstyle]

Immersiveunreality said:

Trumpstyle said:

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.

Explain how those TF's need to work together with other important components in the console and why you consider putting so much importance on that one thing,explain us what you know about the PS5 being a factual less powerfull console as a whole than the next gen xbox.

I question your knowledge on hardware to be able make the statements you do in a correct way.

For questions on hardware you should ask Vivster, Pemalite or Drohler, I haven't claimed to have any knowledge. As for rest of your post, what will make the biggest different between Xbox Series X and PS5 will be Gpu performance and ray-tracing performance. Resolution will be the biggest differentiator, we have seen this when compared to Xbox one X and Ps4 pro. As for ray-tracing performance, now if PS5 really is superior, I expect simply developers just tone down the ray-tracing effects for XSX, we will not see an fps advantage to PS5.

The CPU and SSD I expect to make little different.

CGI-Quality said:

Trumpstyle said:

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.

Tell ‘em - what does a “teraflop gap” mean for such devices? In a nutshell. I’m gonna be strict on this because you put such an emphasis on them. Educate these people. If you can’t, you should consider focusing on the things that actually matter regarding computer hardware.

Thank you for reading my post, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. As they both using same Gpu architecture (Navi) using TF as an easy way discussing gpu performance. As what the gamers will see is what I wrote before, resolution. I don't expect it to be as big as a different as we saw with PS4 Pro and Xbox one X even with a 3TF gap. PS5 might have some advantages, first we saw from github leak that XsX has only 560 GB/s memory bandwidth and PS5 could have upwards 576 GB/s memory speed, this will give PS5 higher Perf/TF if now XsX has lower memory bandwidth per TF.

Another point is that Github leak also revealed that XsX has only 2 shader engines and 56CU's, this points to low clock-speed for XsX and PS5 will certainly have 2 shader engines and high clock-speed. This will give PS5 an advantage in Texture/Pixel fillrate performance. Another advantage for PS5 in Perf/TF.

Third is Sony has superior API than what Microsoft has, this will be another advantage to Sony. So even with a 3TF gap the different could be smaller than what people expect.

But you should ask Pemalite, Drohler or Vivster about this stuff, they know this technical stuff. My post was about GPU performance and price. I think you would agree with me that Sony must price their console $100 below XsX if XsX has upwards 30% gpu advantage.

Pemalite said:

Trumpstyle said:

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.

Yeah. Going to side with Radek on this one...
Verified Insiders, all with different TF numbers... In short, no one knows a damn thing, not even worth discussing.

Flops also doesn't tell us how powerful the consoles are either.

Yep I decided recently to do that list so I could see where the insiders believe PS5 will land, it looks to be around 11TF. To be fair to the insiders they gave slightly vague numbers. Like Matt only indicated that XsX will have 15% advantage or less when Windowscentral posted their article that XsX is targeting 12TF.

Jason Schreier reiteraded that both consoles was aiming to beat the Stadia number in december so now it's not possible he was talking about gpu performance as Navi is well known.

Heisenberg has made new post and says Ps5 will be around 10.5TF and XsX will have 1-1.5TF advantage. But also Ps5 will be within 10%.