deskpro2k3 said:
Are you serious? I tried to be nice, I really did, but listen let me make you understand something, let me explain to you why your little excuse is trash and a desperate attempt to downplay one of ff7 main attributes. I think FF7 is a special game for a lot of people and I didn't play RPGs in the early 90s. I didn't really play a lot of video games with story. I had a snes, I played mario, and duck hunt, but FF7 was the first game to introduce story for me, and I wasn't into board-games D&D as a kid. But for a lot of people and including myself ff7 was the gateway to videogames being a narrative to you and getting attached to characters instead of just playing a game for the sake of playing a game.. Like Mario or Zalda. It's like you know a character in a book or using a character in a fighting game, you get attached to that character and what makes that character appealing in some way is similar to the way people get attached to Star Wars, and Star Trek, and both of them spawn multiple series and major motion pictures. The same is true for FF7 because it does this to so many people including myself. This was the first time you lived a game with characters, this was the first time you experienced a journey with characters, and you didn't feel you were just watching a movie, you feel like you were a part of something, like you was there with them. Your first experience with a game like that is going be impactful and luckily Final Fantasy 7 is still a good game. The characters and storytelling has so many crazy twists and turns and memorable moments throughout the whole game. Having such an impact is why people talk so highly about Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 because they were the big games on Super Nintendo and this is why people are so fond of FF6 and Chrono Trigger today because they were introduced to it at the time but FF7 was the game that took it from being this niche thing that was on a Super Nintendo to suddenly it being a worldwide phenomenon with PlayStation. That's why people like in that YouTube video acted in such joyful way. Now to address the facts, I mentioned that FF7 has multiple spin-offs, films, and anime. I wasn't comparing that to Zelda, I was just stating some irrefutable, undeniable facts. I said FF7 has the best story and music, that much is also indisputable, but you just had to take it to another level with your poor attempt to downplay. I'll be the bigger man here and I say I'm sorry. I didn't mean to state some hurtful facts. So since you have nothing else to say I guess that's that. |
Just one more time. I promise.
That video just shows how there a lot of fans of FF VII and how that game is very important for a lot of people. Something I never denied to be truth. However, if by "impactful" you mean there are people who remembers it with passion, I inform you that Ocarina of Time is also a very important game for a lot of people and most of them still remember its story with passion (although let's face it: Ocarina of Time has a more simple story and characters). If Ocarina of Time would get a similar remake treatment as FF VII Remake, you would see the exact same reactions by people, if not even bigger. Also, saying that people have forgotten Wind Waker and Majora's Mask is hilarious, because for one, Majora's Mask story is one that leaved a very strong mark on people and two, these two games are incredibly loved by people. Story included.
That's the thing, and that's why this thread exist: both Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time are two games loved and remembered with passion more than 20 years after their release. Both games are great, both games are great on their genres and both games defined the gaming landscape on the late 90s on their respective platforms.
I get that FF VII was the first contact with a strong and powerful story for a lot of people at that time. But that is not really a strenght of the game itself... it's more like being in the right place at the right time. As you said, games like FF VI or Chrono Trigger existed before FF VII. Are those game's story less memorable or worse? No. They just weren't as popular. But being popular is not a strenght for a game being better or worse either.
Finally, I didn't twist or get something to "another level". In a discussion about which is the better game (Ocarina of Time or FF VII) you said: FF VII has better story, music, it has spin offs, a movie and an anime. It wins in all these cattegories". As if having spin offs, movies and an anime would be something to consider when we are talking about the quality of a single game. That is my whole problem with your statement: these things have nothing to to with which game is better.
Also, you said you mentioned spin offs and such just as "facts" and I made a whole world of it, but the truth is the moment you put these things in the same bag as "music and story" and end with "it wins in all these categories", you are not just mentioning the facts, you are implying that having spin offs, movies and animes is an aspect as important as music and story when discussing an indiviual game. Which is completely idiotic.
Finally, using minigames in order to make FF VII gameplay look better than Ocarina of Time is also pretty stupid. Specially when some of those minigames have the depth of puddle in a slightly rainy day.
I get it, you love FF VII and you are wetting your pants for the arrival of FF VII Remake. That's absolutely great: FF VII is an awesome game (that I don't like, but the game is great regardless) and the remake is looking nice and sharp. But if you are going to make a case for it over Ocarina of Time, I think you chose a poor set of arguments.
And now I'm really done.
