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deskpro2k3 said:
JWeinCom said:

If I don't understand something, then in my mind it's flawed, and I'm free to express my opinion.  In turn, you can explain why I'm mistaken and it's not flawed. For example, I think your definition is ridiculously broad, as it would seemingly include games that nobody would consider fighting games, like Double Dragon, Battletoads, Devil May Cry 3, Mario 64, and Donkey Kong 64, while excluding games like Bushido Blade. 

If you think your definition is not flawed, you are free to explain why not.  If you don't care enough to defend your point, you are free not to.  If you didn't come to argue, then don't.  If you just want to be able to say what you want to say and ignore any criticism then w/e.  I swear I'm not going to follow you to your home and force you to respond at gun point.  I enjoy stuff like this.  If you don't, then find something you'd rather do with your time.

Edit:  And btw, saying it wasn't fun is not a cheeky response.  You specifically brought it up to explain that FF7 has good things.  I would say a minigame being a "good" thing would entail being fun.  

I gave one example of what a fighting game is, and even THAT is NOT enough.

No, you don't say it's flawed or ridiculous and then expect an explanation in kindness, you're just inviting baseless arguments and derailments. This is not your personal law school. If I think your questioning is stupid, you can expect retaliatory response, and that is my choice to make. Again this is going no where. This is now I think the 3rd time I said you win. Feel free to have the closing argument.

Yes... you gave a definition.  And you think I should just accept it?  Apparently you think a mere assertion should be enough, and you should be beyond question.  That's not how it works.  I think it was a bad definition, and I explained precisely why I think that in what I feel was a perfectly respectful manner.  Instead of either acknowledging my criticism and adjusting your definition, or explaining why your definition actually is a good one, you instead, in your own words, retaliate.

And that's the problem.  Rebutting is what people do in civil discourse.  It is responding to the content of someone's argument.  Retaliation is what you do when  someone has done something to harm you.  It's by definition vindictive.  It's not what adults do when someone respectfully disagrees with them.

When you said we've never "seen" FF7, I explained that I thought that was flawed.  To illustrate this, I asked if the same statement could be made for any game.  The question was designed to illustrate the flaw in your argument.  Instead of responding to it, you insulted my intelligence, said I have no imagination, and I was just too simple to understand your masterful argument.

When someone genuinely asked you why you thought FF7's story was still impactful, instead of explaining why you thought the story was impactful, you responded "I tried to be nice, I really did, but listen let me make you understand something, let me explain to you why your little excuse is trash and a desperate attempt to downplay one of ff7 main attributes."  This is a completely out of line response to what was a perfectly respectful post.

When I questioned whether the minigame you mentioned as evidence of why FF7 is so good is actually a fighting minigame or whether it actually made the game better, instead of saying "it's a fighting game because..." you again insulted my intelligence, accused me of not understanding semitics (admittedly I'm not an expert on Middle Eastern cultures), questioned whether I completed kindergarten, and claimed I went "berserk" (Officer, it was terrible.  He was like a madman.  He asked me to describe the characteristics of a fighting game!  HE WAS A MADMAN!) 

It generally seems like you just don't like when anyone questions your opinions and if someone questions you, you "retaliate".  And that's part of why I wanted to respond.  Because this kind of behavior actually is toxic.  And unlike you, I'm not just "retaliating".  I'm explaining exactly why I find your behavior problematic, so that hopefully you'll reflect and become a better contributor.  

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 18 February 2020