| victor83fernandes said: They wont do it, I know Sony, they will rather lower the build quality than to take a loss. |
Sounds like an assertion.
What do you have to backup this claim?
| victor83fernandes said: They are not worried, people will move quicker from ps4 to ps5 than last time, this is a certainty, 100% sure it will happen. |
Evidence?
| victor83fernandes said: I will bet with anyone any kind of bet that sony will outsell the xbox series X, I am 100% sure. |
Evidence?
| drkohler said: That is a really, really stunning thing to say (I have another word for it in my mind but we'll stay civilised). I don't know where you are living but at least in Europe (and my guess is pretty much everywhere), MS has lost a staggering amount of money if we look at the hardware only. My guess the total losses over the lifetime of the XBox could have reached anywhere from $2B to $4B. Let's look at just a few problems: 1. XBox manufacturing. For the past few years (actually less than two years since launch), there hasn't been a week when you couldn't buy an XBox over here for around $199-$229 (and those usually have been bundles: 1-4 games, 3 months of free gamepass). There is NO WAY an XBox could ever have even been manufactured for less than that (I do not know what the store margins are/were for those units, but it's not $zero). Btw, XBoxes (not counting X1X, but that one actually required a complete redesign of the SoC, so add $80-100Mio here) are more expensive to manufacture than PS4s, judging by comparing motherboards). As a very rough guess, at the very least a $50 loss on every unit sold. For how many millions of units worldwide? |
The Xbox One is cheap as chips to manufacture, I would be surprised if they were even taking a loss.
The DDR3 Ram and the 16nm mature manufacturing process the SoC is built on and the piddly 5400rpm HDD isn't expensive these days.
The Xbox One X also fundamentally increases the average selling price of Xbox consoles, which helps with the bean counters looking at finances... And you have Gamepass, Xbox live Gold and so forth which also lets the financials look more tenable.
| drkohler said: 2. Kinect2. Kinect was and still is an engineering masterpiece, probably the best electronics device ever designed. |
Hell no.
| drkohler said: 3. Software costs for the backwards compatibility program. That is an ongoing thing and I have no idea how large that group is that made the crossassembler/360os on XBox and fine-tunes it for every game they put on the gavel. Surely a few millions every year is spent on this. |
Microsoft has abandoned it's Xbox 360 and Original Xbox backwards compatibility program.
The costs are negligible, the big logistical issue was just getting the licensing go-ahead to make it happen.
Microsoft also had some hardware baked into the Xbox One's SoC that allowed for backwards compatibility to be more efficient, thus Microsoft planned this even whilst developing the Xbox One from the very beginning.
Microsoft could have potentially profited from this as those games and DLC then got thrown onto the Xbox store for sale.
| drkohler said: One thing is absolutely sure though: On hardware, XBox is deep in the red. |
Probably not as much as we think. Microsoft recouped allot of finances on the hardware front during the Xbox 360 era, especially after being hit by a $1 billion repair bill for the RROD.
Trumpstyle said:
Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5: Matt: 10.5TF+ We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap. |
Yeah. Going to side with Radek on this one...
Verified Insiders, all with different TF numbers... In short, no one knows a damn thing, not even worth discussing.
Flops also doesn't tell us how powerful the consoles are either.
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