| numberwang said: I have already written that Arctic Ice was declining in 1980-2005 during the rebound from the "New Ice age" and stayed flat after 2006. We have exactly as much Arctic ice coverage today as 14 years ago, the opposite of a hockey stick. Arctic Ice was also declining in the 1940s and 50s and went up again. Cherry picking the 1970s high point to begin is misleading. https://www.osti.gov/biblio/5885458 Same hysteria back then... catastrophic collapse, rising sea levels, swamp seaports https://www.newspapers.com/image/89276088/?terms=greenland%2Bmelting |
You just aren't getting it.
Newspaper clippings from 30-70 years ago is outdated, it is more prone to being incorrect, the fact you are using them and continuing to use them is more or less to reinforce your own confirmation bias... They neither reinforce or contradict anyones position, they are just snippets of time.
Not to mention we shouldn't be taking any credence from media publications anyway.
NASA is saying that the Sea-Ice coverage is the 6th lowest on record in 2018.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/annual-arctic-sea-ice-minimum-announcement
That is a little bit more empirical than your newspaper clippings from over half a century ago.
Fact is, you are going to have highs and lows, Arctic Ice coverage grows and shrinks, but the trend is clear, that the height of it's coverage on a yearly basis has diminished as time goes on, that is a symptom of climate change. - One year or highs or one year of lows doesn't debunk anything.
| numberwang said: Let's take a look at the Antarctic ice (total southern hemisphere), longest data set available is starting 1978. We have as much ice coverage in summer 2019 as in summer 1979. Where is the hockey stick? Funny thing is the ice max spike in 2015 right before the Paris climate show. God's sense of humor. |
NASA has shown that the mass of ICE (Not to be confused with coverage and is ultimately a more important indicator for the health of our Arctic regions!) has been on a consistent decline.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/
I would argue there is no God. Just sound science.
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