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RJTM1991 on 25 January 2020
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the-pi-guy said:
RJTM1991 said:

Where? 

I'd really like to see an example that ends any and all anti-Socialist arguments. 

How are Norway, UK, Canada and Sweden doing?  

LurkerJ said:

Sure, I get debt forgiveness, I am all for it. But the guy in the video has every right to complain, he worked twice or three times as hard just to pay off his daughter's debt. We should discuss what to do for people like him. Where is the harm? 

Or we simply reward those who paid their debts or ensure what they did doesn't go unrewarded.

Why are people for debt forgiveness but not for reparations for people who suffered under the same exact money sucking scheme? We are already talking about "trillions" amount of money, it's already "too expensive". Might as well compensate everyone. 

>Where is the harm? 

There's no harm.  The question is where do you draw the line?  People aren't proposing to make college free, and pay off college debt just because they like free stuff.  It's about relieving burdens.  The guy who has paid off his child's debt, what burdens does he now have?  They're not burdened by debt.  

If you want to make it easier for the future, make college free.

If you want to relieve people's burdens, pay off their college debt also.  

If you want to give people a reward for not having debt, give them a refund.

Doing all the above isn't a terrible thing, but it's not the focus that any of the Democrats are going for.  The concern seems to be about fairness.  There's different dimensions of fairness, equity, equality, and a variety of others and mixes of all of them.  

Here's the famous picture that describes the two at least:

>We are already talking about "trillions" amount of money, it's already "too expensive". Might as well compensate everyone. 

This isn't a conservative argument.  College debt is less than 2 trillion dollars.  That's a huge number, but it's not "too expensive".  And if it were too expensive, compensating everyone doesn't make sense.  

The UK isn't Socialist. Matter of fact, the country voted in droves against Socialism in the last election.

Norway and Sweden aren't Socialist either. A quick Google search ends that one. "Jerry Mander has likened the Nordic model to a kind of "hybrid" system which features a blend of capitalist economics with socialist values, representing an alternative to American-style capitalism."

Thanks to the wonders of Wikipedia, we have a list of actual Socialist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

I wouldn't like to live in either to be honest.