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tsogud on 25 January 2020
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LurkerJ said:
tsogud said:

Lmao nope. I wouldn't describe that man as any of those descriptions you listed.

All I see is a supposedly "grown" ass man being selfish and throwing a temper tantrum because society is improving.

I guess we shouldn't find a cure for cancer because it wouldn't be fair to those who had died from it before.

A mature, intelligent, compassionate and empathetic person would want others to have it easier than they did especially when they know how tough it could be and how much worse other people have it.

Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better.

I disagree, we don't know his circumstances. To dismiss him as an immature person when he played by the rules and did his best to not to break the law is not fair. Especially that he lives in a country in which you never have extra money, you're one medical condition away from poverty. Spending his savings to pay off debts is commendable. 

Liz dismissed him as well when she could've acknowledged the pain debt has caused him by simply saying: "I can see that you're a hard working person, who suffered due to students loans, and sacrificed so much just to pay them off, we should definitely have a conversation about people in similar shoes as yours and see how we can help them".

It's Liz who was immature in the way she responded, dismissive and unsympathetic with no real answer to his question. 

You give the guy a pass but not Liz for having to deal with an irate man yelling at her face??? He'd catch these hands if he did that to me, as far as I'm concerned she handled it as well as she could in the moment.

I can only go by the behavior he was displaying and his behavior was immature. He says he did "all the right things" but getting duped and played by a broken, oppressive system isn't really something you should be proud of. If he really did feel he sacrificed so much he should not want others to have to do the same, that's a mature person's thinking and he displayed the opposite. He should want society to improve or if not, he isn't a productive member of society and is just selfish.

Last edited by tsogud - on 25 January 2020