Eurogamer: PS5 and Xbox Series X Spec Leak.

[DonFerrari]

Mr Puggsly said:

DonFerrari said:

From all we know GTS sold about 6M units so it is higher than FM from what I know. And I'm not comparing to FH (which may have one edition outselling GTS, but we don't really have official numbers for that). This gen FM may have profited more than GTS, but last gen certainly not GT5P sold 5M, GT5 sold 12M and GT6 sold 6M (rounding from memory) that is 23M sales on basically 1,5 game (Prologue used the assets that were being prepared for GT5 and GT6 expanded a little but used most assets from GT5 as well). And sure GTS also received a lot of the assets from GT5 because at that time PD was already making models in anticipation for this gen.

We have had a lot of reports on this site about the confidence of Japanese devs on Playstation (like you see Persona exclusively on PS5, Yakuza was as well for basically the whole gen), devs saying PS4 was reviving the life of console gaming over there, several japanese developed games that made success outside of Japan and were temporary exclusive without any paying from Sony. That I can very much assure isn't Sony just hoping for the best. You don't keep yourself at the top only hoping for the best. Or MS strategy was hoping for the worst and that is why they keep being behind?

Are we certain GTS is at 6 million sales? Maybe it is. As a user of both platforms, GTS hit $20 faster than Forza games generally do as well.

By the numbers Sony have provided, track of physical sales in VGC and estimative of physical/digital yes GTS is around 6M. And we don't have the sales number for recent FM for a long time from MS mouth.

You dont need to feed me all the sales data of GT. I simply pointed out Forza did significantly better this gen because of more frequent releases and the success of Forza Horizon. We agree.

I was not aware GTS had GT5 assets. That just makes it more surprising it took almost a generation to develop.

The reason GT5 took a long time to release was that they were future proofing their models (I don't have sources now and may be wrong but I have reasons to believe a lot of assets - don't mean full car, would need to compare if same model is in GT5 or 6), but yes GTS took a long time to release (but wasn't really a full gen, more like a little over half a gen that meant a single GT in a gen because GT6 released by the time PS4 launched).

Persona had side games on Nintendo portables I believe. Persona 5 is the first mainline game moving to another platform outside of Sony, but I could be wrong.

Yes Persona had spin-offs on Nintendo. Switch won't really receive P5, they will get another spin-off.

There were some old Yakuza games on Wii U. Newer Yakuza games were already coming to PC, but Xbox support was surprising. Coming to Game Pass is a bonus as well.

Wasn't aware of Yakuza on WiiU (even PS3 didn't receive Y4 on the west until much later and that was digital only). Yes Yakuza is finally showing on Xbox and PC, let's see if it will receive the sales it deserve.

Yakuza was a series that stayed exclusive to Japan for a period, maybe even years for some titles. So it made sense to keep it on Playstation while Nintendo platforms were generally too weak for proper ports.

Yakuza 4 and 5 didn't arrive here because sales were continuously diminishing in the west, but the port to PS4 sold great in the west so they gone full throttle with it.

Hasn't PS4 sold less than PS3 in Japan? I fail to see how PS4 is reviving console gaming there. It has seemingly declined, meanwhile Switch took Japan easily.

PS4 outsold PS3 (or is near that), you may fail as much as you want, those were the words of some devs over there not mine. Switch certainly outsell PS4 (that phrase was on the first couple years in Japan, Switch didn't exist at the time), and I haven't analysed that besides Nintendo SW in Japan if they have sold many classic genres of consoles on it for 3rd party.

Is Sony making content or big deals to combat Switch in Japan? Nope. Seems to me they are just hoping for the best... or maybe they dont really care about that market. Both can be true at the same time.

They are likely selling what they project and know is possible over there. Are they combating Switch in the West? Nope, so are they hoping for the best over here?

I am not sure why you took at jab at MS, I am just looking at the facts we have.

The jab is at the supposition that Sony is hoping for the best when we look at their historic and they done fine. If hoping for the best was a valid explanation for the success of PS4 then hoping for the worst would be an explanation for X1 doing much worse than PS4 wouldn't it?

Both companies do what they think will work best, and a large market like Japan isn't a place where you hope for the best. MS done almost nothing there because they knew they wouldn't sell much this gen there after couple months passed and Sony saw they wouldn't need to change what they had in Japan (defacto monopoly) to keep winning. That isn't hoping for the best, it's knowing the market and what to do to win there.

derpysquirtle64 said:

Conina said:

And how do you know that the GamePass promotion in these countries is bad? Is it just a hunch?

Because I live in Russia. No Xbox promotion at all. Sony has PS4 banners on central square of Saint Petersburg during holiday season as well as ads on TV. Nintendo has Switch ads in cinemas. Xbox? Nothing.

In Brazil PS sells more than Xbox still I only ever seem ad for Xbox (not that many) but never for PS or Nintendo. Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything.