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JWeinCom on 01 January 2020
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RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

No, it's really not safe to say that.  It's safe to say that as it was presented, marketed, and supported, it was unwanted, but beyond that it's speculation.  The fact that a single game was not sufficient to sell the concept doesn't mean the concept couldn't have been successful. Let's say for instance that instead of New Super Mario Bros U, the Wii U launched with Super Mario Maker, which was actually a concept that to a much larger extent showed off the Gamepad, albeit not in the same way as Nintendoland, instead of launching it when the Wii U was already dead.  In this scenario, do you think the Wii U would have sold better?

No, it wouldn't have sold better because Mario Maker is a weaker IP than Super Mario Bros.

And let's be real: You don't need two screens to create levels. Super Mario Maker 2 on Switch is the same thing with a single screen.

Looking up the numbers, I may have to concede that it's a weaker IP overall.  I was pretty surprised that apparently Maker 2 didn't sell as well as NSMBU Switch.  Although, I don't necessarily think that would have translated directly to Wii U sales.  There are some games with broad appeal that tend to sell well when they're on a console that sells well, but don't necessarily move hardware.  For instance, Smash sold significantly worse than NSMB on the Wii, but on the Switch sold about on par despite not being bundled nearly as much, which would indicate that despite being a weaker IP in terms of overall sales, it's more of a system seller.  I think the uniqueness of Mario Maker would have made Wii U more.  

As for screens, I never said you needed two screens.  You needed a touch screen which was one of the features the Gamepad added.  Switch does that and more, and is obviously a far stronger concept than the Wii U, but that doesn't mean the Wii U couldn't have had more appeal than it did.  I actually do think Mario Maker works marginally better on the Wii U though.

curl-6 said:
JWeinCom said:

There is a simple yes or no to that.  It's a yes or no question.  Either you believe it would sell better, or you believe it wouldn't.  Why is a different question, that I didn't ask.

Is Mario Maker with the Gamepad significantly better than what would be possible with a Wiimote or Pro Controller?  If you did play it on the Wii U, did you ever think "man I wish I could use the Wii-mote instead"?

Stop trying to manipulate me into saying things, please.

It's clear we simply don't agree on this, and you will not change my mind. We may as well just leave this here, no point continuing.

Errrr... what was I manipulating you into saying?  Yes or no to a yes or no questions?

That's how logical syllogisms work.  A series of true false questions that lead to a conclusion.  I'm not going to force you to continue. It's odd that I can't change your mind, cause I'd change mine if given good reason. But don't call me manipulative for using one of the best tools of logic available.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism