Official Thread: The Impeachment of President Donald Trump

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Locknuts said:

Machiavellian said:

No its not illegal but it sure makes it very hard to believe this was not for personal intent when you use your own lawyer, someone who cannot testify against you if you asked them to do something illegal or whatever.  When that same person represent your personal agenda, how can you make the case that this was for the US.  Like I said, Giuliani whole involvement is what throws out everything when people try to say Trump was acting on the US behast instead of a personal one. No one can rightfully explain Giuliani role in this whole affair because when they do, it only leads one place, to this being a personal agenda by the president.

No one is stupid.  The whole point of using Giuliani instead of official means is because everything is recorded during official means.  You side step those means so that you prevent those documents and records to become publicly available.  From there, Trump can say whatever he wants knowing that records of his operation are under Giuliani hands.

Yeah it was a huge mistake to get Guliani involved. I think he did it because he trusts Guliani and he doesn't trust most of the staff that have been there before his Presidency. It's not a justification though, it makes it look like he just does whatever he wants. But it also jeopardises his case for the reasons you said. It makes it look like he might try to claim Attorney/Client privilege. If he does claim that, we'll know he's guilty. But that's probably illegal in matters of state anyway and he'd be impeached straight away. Lol.

Supposedly Guliani doesnt have security clearance to do what he did either.
Trump trust him, to do whatever hes told, even if not legal.

Which is why when Guliani tells someone else what to do, as the voice of the president,
Its not because "he mis-understood trump" or "made up his own mind on behalf of the president" or such.

Trump is playing the system, clearly abuseing it and breaking the law, and knows how to get around it.

His "base" is either gulible enough to be lied too, or dont care.