Locknuts said:
Machiavellian said:
So what you are saying is that Trump tried to do something illegal, was turned down by his administration, only released the aid when found out. So in your mind, trying to do something illegal and only not doing it because you got found out is no big deal. I guess this is the state we live in now where people excuse intent because they did not get caught instead of looking at the intent.
You really have to do some gymnastic leaps to make Trump look good here. When you say there is no evidence to what Trump tried to do, you basically are throwing away sworn in testimony by people involved in the whole dumb stunt as if it doesn't carry any weight but for some reason you are willing to believe that Trump only had the best interest of the US at heart instead of his own personal gain.
What exactly in Trump past, or even the present that make you believe he is this altruistic person. I guess you are one of the people who believes Trump never lies its all the media making false statements. I am sure you are probably one of the people who do not believe the corruption shown by Trump during his time not as president but somehow he is this generous person who create colleges and charities to help people.
You would be the perfect mark for a con man. A person who wants to believe so much you will doubt your own eyes and heart in hope that someone isn't what they show you who they are.
Either way, I am sure before Trump leaves office he will give you ample opportunity to find ways to defend him when he could not find anyone in his administration to do so. For someone who has to forbid anyone in his administration to not testify to congress he sure shows how much trust he has in what he was doing. Withholding documents and pretty much obstructing the process is all he can do because as long as he has people willing to ignore whats right in from of them, making sure they have the least amount of info helps him keep those people ignorant.
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I never claimed that Trump was a good or altruistic person. I think you're making huge assumptions about what I'm saying.
Yes, Trump tried to do something illegal, probably found out it was illegal afterwards and then had to comply with the law.
What matters is if they can find evidence of his intentions. His base will believe that he was simply trying to stop corruption. The opposition say that it was a selfish move to attempt to crush a political opponent. We need proof of his intentions or not one Republican is going to vote to impeach in the Senate.
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Sworn testimony? of people carrying out his orders, that claim it was on his behalf arnt good enough?
Crooks know well enough not to record incrimating evidence on tapes or write it down.
Trump walks that fine line often enough, that hes probably paranoid, that when he does things that might break the law, he makes sure its "his word" against anothers (who just claims hes carrying out his orders).
That way if something goes wrong, trump can just throw them under the bus.
Its a patern by now, how many of trumps own people have gone to jail for him? and afterwards hes like "I barely knew the guy" "he only met him a few times" "Never met him" ect.....
"his intentions" dont matter do they?
Neither does not knowing the law, if you break the law, and claim its okay because you never knew, you still get punished.
You break the law, it doesnt matter why you did it, does it?
Its like that saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Last edited by JRPGfan - on 22 December 2019
