Cerebralbore101 said:
SpokenTruth said:
The electoral college and the mixed rules for each state.
Some states evenly split their electoral voters based on votes. If 50% of the state votes Candidate A and 50% votes Candidate B then 50% of the electoral vote will equally represent both candidates, A and B..
Some states are winner takes all. If 50.1% of that state votes for Candidate A then ALL of that states electoral votes go to Candidate A. Basically, it means that it completely ignores the votes from 49.9% of voters from that state. Imagine how that would make you feel.
This is how you can win an election despite losing the popular vote by 3 million people. The problem is that this is never really been an issue until recently. The popular vote and the electoral vote have almost always agreed 1:1. But that's changed in the past 20 years. Bush won the electorate despite losing the popular vote. Now Trump won the electorate despite losing the popular vote. It is this recent divergence of electorate and popular vote that has driven many to rethink the wisdom of the Electoral College. Especially given that both favored one party and both happened very recently and was the largest margin differential since 1876.
In fact, it's happened only 5 times in US history. The first was a different party structure but the 4 after have all favored Republicans. I'm sure you can understand how that raises eyebrows.
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Yep.
The problem is that Trump was never legitimately elected. Any election where the winner has less votes than the loser is not a legitimate election. The authority to rule a country does not come from God. It is not a piece of property that is passed down through family either. It comes from the consent of the people to be governed. When you do not have a majority of voters consenting to that government, then that government is not legitimate. And when not all adults can vote, then consent was never given either.
Some people may bristle at this idea, and say "Oh, but America is a Republic! The founding father's didn't want a Direct Democracy so they designed the Electoral College to decide elections!" These people have obviously never checked a map. North Korea calls itself a Republic. China calls itself a Republic. Stalin's USSR called itself a Republic! Furthermore, the Founding Fathers kept slaves, and thought only land owning white men should vote. They weren't perfect people. They were products of their time. We've fixed their mistakes in the past when we abolished slavery, and gave suffrage. It's time to fix their mistake with the Electoral College.
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This is how Britain + USA + Australia works.
The US has its system based on the british model..... which isnt fantastic or very fair (democracy), but better than nothing.
They should change their system to something more fair though, the fact that so many votes are just disguarded is not a healthy democracy.
In todays day and age, theres no reason to do things that way any more, we dont have the technical issues that made them choose this way of doing things.
RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:
I await Locknuts explanation of this story. I am sure he can continue to find a silver lining here and easily explain it away so Trump can win in 2020.
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What's right or wrong is of little concern when the people who will decide over Trump's fate don't care about what's right or wrong.
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Alot of americans dont believe in science, or accept what the scientific community says, even if like 99% of them all agree on the same matter.
Thats why america has Flat-earthers, moon landing hoax believers, ect.... . even stuff like climate changes (less dramatic than flat earthers but just as bad).
You have christians that believe the earth is 3000years old, because they counted the bloodlines down from Adam + Eve.
Dinosaurs where never real, its just put there to test your faith, when it was all created. Also dont believe in evolution ect.
And today, you have americas that ignore facts.... because they dont suit their tastes, even in politics.
Its crazy, the social medias and attention demanding common man, has made it so people value their own opinions above facts proved by science.
Its madness is what it is.
Also these same stupd facks, will go #fakenews, whenever they hear something they dont want to hear.
Ignoreing the fact, that the rich and weathly are usually the ones in controll of the news papers and tv stations, and the stuff they want to her, is usually the twisted truth and not the otherway around.
Last edited by JRPGfan - on 22 December 2019
