Rumor:PS5 & Anaconda Scarlet GPU on par with RTX 2080, Xbox exclusives focus on Cross gen, Developer complain about Lockhart.UPDATE: Windows Central said Xbox Anaconda target 12 teraflop

[DonFerrari]

CGI-Quality said:

drkohler said:

blablabla removed, particularly completely irrelevant "command processor special sauce" and other silly stuff.
Ray tracing doesn't use floating point operations? I thought integer ray tracing was a more or less failed attempt in the early 2000s so colour me surprised.

Look, as many times as you falsely yell "Flops are irrelevant", you are still wrong.

The technical baseplate for the new console SoCs are identical. AMD has not gone the extra miles to invent different paths for the identical goals of both consoles. Both MS and Sony have likely added "stuff" to the baseplate, but at the end of the day, it is still the same baseplate both companies relied on when they started designing the new SoCs MANY YEARS AGO.

And for ray tracing, which seems to be your pet argument, do NOT expect to see anything spectacular. You can easily drive a $1200 NVidia 2080Ti into the ground using ray tracing, what do you think entire consoles priced around $450-500 are going to deliver on that war front?

To start, please tone down the condescending approach. It is unnecessary and Pem is simply trying to educate people.

Next, it is easy to see his point (if you know this material). For the average gamer, the folks who frequent these discussions, floating point operations/second are largely irrelevant. Certainly not something they can use like RAM amount/speed, Bus speed, etc... That’s what he’s saying. FLOPS are theoretical, meaning , theoretically, the higher number meanings a theoretically higher peak performance. However, ask the average gamer what that means ~ they’ll look at you like you’re from another dimension. That’s all he’s saying. Yes, they have a meaning, but they don’t dictate the bottom line.

CGI I guess the problem is that the way Pema put was that Flops are totally irrelevant.

But if we are looking at basically the same architeture and most stuff on them being the same, looking at the GPU point one being 10TF and other 12TF hardly the 10TF would be the better one.

Now sure on real world application if one have better memory (be it speed, quantity, etc) or CPU that advantage may be reversed.

So basically yes when Pema says it what he wants to say is that Tflop isn't the end all "simple number show it is better", not that it really doesn't matter at all.

Trumpstyle said:

DonFerrari said:

After your 10th "it's final" and equivalent, nope not going to fall for it.

I'm glad you read my post, I have been saying Lockhart 4TF, Ps5 8TF, Anaconda 12TF for a long time but gave up on it after Navi reveal, turns out it was very close after all. My post was very long so here's the short version.

Oberon for PS5 is real (10.2TF, 40CU,2ghz) but it's the devkit, Sony/Microsoft are using RDNA2 which has big improvements over RDNA1/Navi.

Xbox Lockhart, RDNA2 GPU 4TF+ (18CU, 1.8ghz+), Radeon 580 gaming performance

PS5, RDNA2 GPU 9.2TF (36CU's, 2ghz), Geforce 2080 gaming performance

Xbox Anaconda, RDNA2 GPU 12TF (48CU, 2ghz/52CU's, 1.8ghz), Geforce 2080 Ti gaming performance

Next year we will have our vengeance on the pc-gamers, do not let them move around the facts, Geforce 1650S/Radeon 5500XT are mid-range cards not geforce 2070.

I read all the posts on this thread. And you can't claim Oberon is real, no rumor can be claimed real until official information is gave.

Even consoles that were released in the market the real processing power were never confirmed because the measures made by people outside the company aren't reliable. Switch and WiiU we never discovered what is the exact performance of their GPU, we had just good guesses.

So please stop trying to pass rumor as official information. And also you can't claim 4 rumors that are different are all true.