EricHiggin said:
I agree PS4 would still win but not by near as much like you've mentioned, barring any unforeseen problems for either brand. PS3 vs 360 didn't have a higher end XB SKU above PS3 though. While I don't think Anaconda would sell a lot if more expensive than PS5, I do think just having it as the most powerful console for the next few years anyway, would change the image of Lockhart to a degree. That wouldn't make Lockhart any better than it actually was, but it's perception won't be seen as poorly as if it were the only XB console next gen. Kind of like a little brother who's a pain and pushes the limits to the point where most people would definitely get their butts kicked, yet as long as big brother exists, the perception of little brother is somewhat different than it would be otherwise. You can still try to kick his ass, but you're definitely less likely to if you know you might end up having to deal with big brother eventually. With Anaconda around, Lockhart won't just be the weak little console that's going to get 'beat up' by PS5, even if Anaconda sales aren't that strong. Anaconda will partially legitimize Lockhart in some consumers eyes. X360 had the best version of multiplats for most of its life, so to customers that is a higher end HW for a lot lower. The change to Lockhart image would be detrimental, because it would show it as even worse by comparison to Anaconda. X1X didn't manage to sell more than PS4Pro while being a lot stronger and 100 more expensive, so I don't know where you would expect Anaconda to sell more than PS5 even more with Lockhart taking cost sensitive MS fans. Your analogy of the brothers is actually worse, anytime you have a brilliant big brother even a regular little brother is seem as bad in comparison. Doesn't make any sense to say "owww I will buy Lockhart that is a lot weaker but a bit cheaper because Anaconda really looks good", that would be the mentality of someone that buy a Ferrari cap because he can't buy Ferrari, but with a Lamborghini costing a cap and keychan. Only people that are fan of MS or want their exclusives would think like that. You also have to put a spotlight on the RROD. MS didn't have that problem this gen, and likely won't next gen, so that significant problem won't scare consumers away. While more than a few victims actually went out and bought a second or third 360 after the fact, just as many if not more, didn't buy one because of their reliability issues. If the RROD had never happened, 360 very likely would have stayed ahead of PS3 to the end. With over 85M X360, with several accounts of double or more dips, we can't really say there were that many consumers scared. If there was, how would we justify they being scared but buying X360 and then not buying X1 when it doesn't have RROD? You are speculating that more people decide not to buy X360 due to RROD than people that bought more than one, X360 won with a big lead (similar numbers to PS2) in USA and UK, wasn't that fast seeling in Europe or Japan even before RROD was a thing. So I don't think X360 would sell much more without RROD. PS5 would certainly be the value option in these scenario's, but will the people who want to jump into next gen asap, who typically can't financially, just pick up a Lockhart because they can? That doesn't necessarily mean they are locked into the XB camp for good. They might stay with Lockhart, or maybe wait until PS5 drops in price and trade Lockhart for it plus savings, or flat out upgrade to Anaconda instead eventually. Sure some cost sensitive people will do that, others will stay on this gen and buy games for cheap (just look that pre-cuts or first year aren't much more than 15% of end life sales) for a little longer, others will try the subs, etc. But that would be more relevant if Lockhart was 199, because at 299 if person wants to save money they can either buy a X1SAD for 99, that 100 saving against PS5 probably won't look that much save when person see what he wins and loses on the trade-off. Switch nor Wii had next gen performance. Power isn't everything though. There does have to be something else along with it to make it worth it, like motion controls or hybrid design. XB will have Game Pass/Xcloud as their something else. At $299, Lockhart would have little competition. XB1X almost certainly would have to be dropped, and PS4 Pro will only be temporary until PS5 Pro, 2 or 3 years down the road, where as Lockhart would be around for the entire gen. Also assuming it has a similar price to PS4 Pro, and PS exclusives are now only on PS5, are you going to buy that outdated third party only hardware, or the up to date XB hardware with it's exclusives? XCloud will run even outside of Lockhart so they don't need to buy it, for such a person would be more likely to buy the SAD. MS is talking about keeping their games crossgen so even a X1 would serve the purpose you don't need to migrate to Lockhart for that. Yes PS4Pro and PS4 will probably lose support 2 or 3 years after PS5 release, but considering 1st party seems like Sony will cut clear by release of PS5 instead of some years I'm not saying PS needs to fear a sales reversal with MS. That would make this gen's mistakes seem like a joke. Just that if MS shows up and puts forward a worthy effort, we're likely to see an competitive race and not another blow out. That should be the case. |
Pemalite said:
Irrelevant. Linux is a PC OS, it started life out as a PC OS, it's a PC OS today.
Keeping the previous generation around on store shelves for a few years is pretty counter-intuitive to that end, don't you think? ;)
False.
Exactly. People see a Rumor that sounds "too good to be true" and runs with it like it's the next biggest thing.
And they can't all be right. The flops are still irrelevant though.
False.
The bottleneck will not be the single precision floating point math capabilities of the chips. It's not going to be noticeable to any end user.
The current Navi GPU's can not and should not be used as representative parts for next-gen consoles.
That is under boost. The chips are not guaranteed to be able to sustain 7.8/9.5+ of single precision floating point performance. |
Just to reinforce I have gave you sources that a lot of coding on TLOU was made on Assembly.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
