Rumor:PS5 & Anaconda Scarlet GPU on par with RTX 2080, Xbox exclusives focus on Cross gen, Developer complain about Lockhart.UPDATE: Windows Central said Xbox Anaconda target 12 teraflop

[Trumpstyle]

Ck1x said:

Trumpstyle said:

Hmm not sure what you saying Tsmc 7nm+ is EUV, Tsmc N7P is updated version of Tsmc's 7nm which can do better clocks. Samsung 7nm is also EUV but it's probably worse then Tsmc's N7P but that is just a guess.

Yes Lockhart should land exactly at 4TF (18CU's, 1,8ghz) but on benchmarks a 5TF Navi loses to radeon 580 for some reason, even though Eurogamer done tests showing Navi has 50% higher Performance/Teraflops, we just haft to see what happens.

Edit: Ah figured it out, Navi have 20% faster TF compared to Polaris architecture that is in Xbox one X and radeon 580. The 50% number is compared to original Gcn architecture in Ps4 and Xbox one. 

So that's great just talking about theoretical numbers but what I'm saying is there are plenty of other things that will effect achieving those numbers or higher. Currently all we have to compare to are AMD 12nm cards, so we aren't even factoring in transistor density over the 12nm process into the new CPU and GPU for these consoles. This will definitely allow for higher clock speeds and performance, not to mention the higher memory bandwidth these systems should have over current cards...

RX 5500 is a 5TF Navi card and loses to radeon 580 (Xbox one X slightly beats 580), Lockhart will be a 4TF card. On nodes, Rx 5500 is on 7nm but overall yes Lockhart should give a better gaming experience then Xbox one X, the CPU improvement should offer 60FPS options for every cross-gen games at 1080p+ and add the SSD you will have quick loading times.

From this graph you can also see how good Navi Scales, there's no performance drop going from RX 5500 to RX 5700XT while Vega loses a lot of performance from Radeon 580 to Vega 64.

Barkley said:

Kristof81 said:

First, we’re talking next year's GPU.

Second, they're Navi based, but essentially they’re both going to be custom made.

Third, there’s a big difference between retail price of a single unit and bulk price of min 30+ million units. 

Fourth, those systems will be sold at a loss, and both will be more expensive than their predecessors.

The PS4 was roughly equivelent to a Radeon 7850. A gpu that launched 20 months before it at $249.

Now we have claims that the PS5 will be BETTER than a gpu that launched 16 months before it at $399 (RX 5700 XT). With the added expense of Hardware Ray Tracing support to boot. It's not going to happen. We already have UHD bluray and SSD's driving up the production cost compared to last gen. They will launch at $500, and they won't match the RTX 2080.

FLAWED THINKING, Xbox one X beats radeon 480 :) :) :)

Pemalite said:

Trumpstyle said:
We now have Jason Schreier, FLUTE leak, Microsoft E3 video, The verge saying Anaconda is above 10TF, a verified insider saying both PS5 and Xbox anaconda is above 10TF. Add 3 people who have contacts with game developers (Kleegamfan, Colin Mccarthy, Andrew Reiner) saying PS5 is above Anaconda, what conclusion can we draw?

That the discussion if PS5 or Anaconda is below 10TF is over, the people who thought below 10TF are defeated. The next battle is whether next-gen consoles are using TSMC N7P or 7nm+.

I'm on 7nm+, who's with me?

Flops are a useless metric, more so with next-gen consoles. You need to stop hanging off it.

For example, Flops doesn't account for the Ray Tracing performance of chips, for all we know Anaconda may have twice the Ray Tracing performance as the Playstation 5... And Ray Tracing is going to be the "big thing" next console generation.

Ray tracing performance? I'm sure I seen a few posts from you saying they both will have same ray-tracing solution from AMD, so I can't see why you think MS will beat Sony on this.

But my post wasn't about that, it was about the people who thought Anaconda and PS5 would be below 10TF, they are now defeated and now the battle is about the next-gen consoles using either Tsmc 7nm/N7P or 7nm+ EUV, I stand on 7nm+ EUV.