DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
LoU wasn’t the best looking PS3 game imho. There were plenty of better looking third party titles, or at the least, more impressive. And those developers had to make their games for two consoles and a myriad of PC configurations. And the same holds true for this gen. Multiplat developers who have had to develop now for five different Xbox/PS4 consoles plus loads of PC builds have done amazing work. Either way you didn’t answer the question.
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Of course you would thing plenty looked better.
Conina said:
Neither PC GPUs nor PC graphic cards are individually custom built. They are also mass produced and the manufacturers also profit from economies of scale.
How many PS4 Slim APUs are produced every year? 15 - 17 million?
How many PS4 Pro APUs are produced every year? 2 - 4 million?
How many XBO S APUs are produced every year? 5 - 8 million?
How many XBO X APUs are produced every year? 1 - 2 million?
Well, in the last years, Nvidia also sold tens of millions of GP106-GPUs (GTX 1060) and probably more than 10 million GP106-GPUs (GTX 1070, 1070 Ti and 1080).
The TU106 sales (RTX 2060 - 2070) and TU116 sales (GTX 1650 Super - 1660 Ti) will probably both reach 10 million next year, TU104 sales (RTX 2070 Super - 2080 Super) will probably reach 10 million next year.
And of course the graphic cards manufacturers like ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte also buy these chips in bulk and will get bulk prices.
Of course Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will get even better prices, but it ain't so that the graphic card manufactures only buy a few hundred or thousand of each GPU model.
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I guess you missed his point. Sony and MS buy the APUs in bulk saving money and sell consoles at loss, basically passing all savings to customer while the GPU vendors on PC sell for a markup. So a GPU that a person buy for 300 USD being in a 400 console isn't really impossible.
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Bulk, yes, but don't forget how expensive these nodes are nowadays. Samsung and Apple are spending well above $100 in SoC + chiplet + memory. Now multiply these by some 3 - 4 (that's still a bit short of the die size and RAM some enthusiastic folks would want, mind you) and add AMD's margin on top of it (far larger than the share they take from licencing GPUs, which I suspect are flat out subsidised given RTG's continuous fiscal disappointments) and all the other goodies on top of it.
Of course, like you said, chances are these consoles are $500 and also subsidised on top of it.
