Console Wars are mostly dead...

[COKTOE]

RolStoppable said:

COKTOE said:

See, here's the problem though. The numbers as they are, are indisputable. However, your psychoanalysis of the entire PS fan base is what I take umbrage with, and what drew me into this exchange, as you can see from my initial quote. I don't pretend to know how much you may, or may not, keep track of such matters, but I have an understanding that you may keep a certain amount of data at hand in order to bolster any arguments that come your way in the future. Not a knock. More power to you if you keep some tabs. I wish I had done it on more than a few occasions.

Are you in possession of any information that would convince me that the "Sony fanbase has the most trouble to come to grips with defeats?" In this very thread, a member of which fan base was the recipient of a two week ban? 

I don't have quick access to enough information to convince you of something of this magnitude. There are a variety of ways to gauge the behavior of a fanbase. One of which is permabans for trolling where the Sony camp comfortably leads, but those aren't statistics that the mod team keeps an actual record of, nevermind that it wouldn't be a publicly accessible one anyway. Bans are a consequence of aggressive responses, unsurprisingly most prominent during the PS3 era. Defensive behavior is another angle to this topic: The official Vita thread was used as a safe space by quite a few users to shelter themselves off from the rest of the site, especially sales threads; comparable behavior didn't occur in the Nintendo fanbase when the Wii U failed, but it did happen in the Xbox camp when the Xbox One struggled hard.

As for the psychoanalysis fo the entire PS fanbase as you put it, that's not really accurate. What my original post was getting at is that the PS camp has a higher percentage of users who have a hard time coping with losses and an example of such behavior is the inability to admit that the Wii beat the PS3 (I already used this example in my original post). What shouldn't be done is take the leap and interpret my statements as the majority of PS fans are like that, let alone all of them. But I am obviously aware that statements like I made cause moments of anger even among PS fans who actually know that they weren't addressed. It's the effect of association: Something bad was said about fans of camp X, I am part of camp X, something bad was said about me.

It's good that you asked the final question because it helps to explain this a bit more. You are refering to Deeds, a Nintendo fan. You are correct that he has always been an awful user, and that's regardless of how Nintendo performs; it's not like there aren't any terrible Nintendo fans. When someone says something negative about Deeds or Nintendo fans like him, it's something that I've learned not to associate myself with, so it doesn't bother me when fans of other camps go for it. If you are a PS fan and read my original post, take a few seconds to remind yourself that you don't fit the description and therefore aren't addressed by the post, it's not nearly as bad as it seemed at first glance.

To get back to the first question you asked, I think the most effective method to convince you is that you observe for yourself in the coming years. We are about to enter a phase where Sony is losing - it doesn't matter if losing is only by 1m, a loss is a loss - so statements like "Switch is a handheld", "Switch is in a different market" and a variety of other goalpost-moving will become a lot more common in order to rearrange reality in a way that crowns Sony as the winner.

Azzanation said:

360?

And why would the 360 be considered losing?

The 360 sold less than the Wii.

- "I don't have quick access to enough information to convince you of something of this magnitude"

Well, of course not. :) It was, really, a rhetorical question. Even within the relatively small confines of VGC, it would be nigh impossible to have a grasp on, the number of total bans, and much more importantly, having an ability to draw a ratios for - the number of "verified console X/Y/Z fans vs number of permabans across a span of 12 years. Going out into the greater internet wilds of fandom renders the idea of being able to accurately encapsulate, just generally, "which fanbase is the worst", a fool's errand. Your wording in the post is what is was though. It was simply : "the PS fanbase", which is, at the very least, fairly nebulous, and as such, prone to being interpreted in a negative way. Especially given the contentious nature of the topic(s) at hand, and the forum it's taking place in.

Anyway, have a good one.

Sorry I can't address more of your post. I'm literally pushing my time to it's limit with this post, so I have to leave it there.