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RolStoppable said:

thismeintiel said:

So, Blu-ray was the reason that Sony supported the PS3 so well throughout the gen?  Because it was competing against a format that was completely abandoned just 1 year and 3 months after the PS3's launch?  Yea, that totally makes sense.  No, Sony stayed in because PS is a big part of who they are.  It's one of their major branches.

For the price cut, we're talking about entry prices here, so I have no idea where you got the $600 to $400 drop.  I was wrong about one thing, though.  There was a period when the PS3 was only $120 more than the 360.  The 360 launched at $299.  The PS3 launched at $499, a $200 difference.  The first real price cut the PS3 saw was to $399, a year later, not 7 months.  Xbox had already dropped the price early in 2007 to $279, so a $120 difference, not $50.  The following year, 2008, we saw no PS3 price cut, but Xbox introduced the Arcade for $199 in Sept.  That's back to a $200 difference.The next price cut for the PS3 was 11 months later, $299 with the introduction of the Slim, in Aug of 2019.  That finally dropped the price difference to just $100 after nearly 3 years on the market.  Again, first time a console survived such a huge price difference, especially one that started at $200, then shrank to $120, only to grow back to $200 for another year.  The prices pretty much correspond to € 1:1, though the month of the price cut may change by a month or so.

Ah, so you are of the mind that exclusives don't really matter to the HD twins, but I'm sure you know and will admit that exclusives are a big selling point for Nintendo.  No point in arguing with such willful ignorance and hypocrisy.  I will just say that, like many of the points you have made, you are just dead wrong.  We are talking about exclusives that have been selling 5M-10M+.  But, sure, they don't really matter cause 3rd party support is sorta the same.

Now, for the Switch.  Yea, it's priced like a home console that came out over a decade ago.  We're never getting another home console launching at $299, unless it's extremely underpowered.  The next gen consoles are most likely launching at $499.  Those predictors weren't oblivious to those facts, those were the reasons they didn't see it succeeding.  The Wii U hadn't done well at $299.  And the 3DS didn't do well at $249.  Of course, what happened was that Nintendo hit that sweet spot of power and mobility, console gaming on the go.  People found $299 to be a fair price for it.  It's helps that it is getting decent 3rd party support and that Nintendo is working on it exclusively, so no more effort split between two platforms, just the one.  It's also what Sony is doing for home consoles, albiet with better 3rd party support, and why they continue to see such success with the PS4.

And, yes, the Switch is a handheld.  And it has a port that turns it into a home console.  Again, you can't ignore the handheld part, just because you think it helps your argument.  Now, if Xbox had a successful line of HHs, and the Scarlet was going to be a hybrid, then you may have an argument.  As is, it's apples to oranges.  And who says MS will have better 1st party support?  Sure, they have more studios, but that means absolutley nothing if the games don't appeal to gamers and/or come out mediocre.  I see nothing from Xbox, or MS's big focus on streaming, that gives me confidence that they will handle those studios any better than they did Rare or Lionhead.  It's quality over quantity that wins gamers, and Sony has both in spades.

Yes, Blu-ray was the reason why Sony didn't quit the PS3. If Sony was in the console market for the games, they wouldn't have pulled the plug on the Vita, let alone so fast. The PS3 had non-gaming purposes, but the Vita had none of that because smart devices had cornered all the non-gaming already.

Price comparisons between consoles are done between the SKUs that are selling the best. It wasn't the gimped 360 SKU that people chose over the PS3.

It seems you are under the belief that I am arguing that Scarlett will sell more than the PS5, but what I am actually arguing is that Scarlett is set up to do better than the Xbox One. Microsoft can still count on third party support, plus the arrow is pointing upwards for their first party efforts.

It's baffling that you continue to defend plain awful Switch lifetime sales predictions that had heavily flawed reasoning. Of course, the most likely explanation for your stance on this is that you were one of those predictors yourself.

Your last paragraph is a sign of things to come in the console wars and it bodes well for a lot of entertainment.

The Vita situation is completely different.  HHs were never Sony's bread and butter.  They were successful with their first attempt.  Unfortunately, the HH market shrank considerably after that gen.  Sony knew it, and saw no way to recover, so dropped focus on it to focus on their actual bread and butter, home consoles.  Even Nintendo knows the HH market shrank.  Why do you think they went with a hybrid?  They had a HH that was the 2nd best selling console of all time, with over 150M in sales and good competition from a 80M+ selling PSP, and within one generation they weren't even going to hit 80M with absolutely no competition from Sony's Vita.  So, again, you are wrong.  Please, do try again, though.

No, that's the price comparison YOU want to do because you think it helps your argument.  Actual price comparisons are done between either entry price points or average prices, not the most expensive model for one vs the cheapest model for another, just because it suits you.  And the base models were not gimped.  They did everything the more expensive models did, only lacked a larger HDD.  And if that's how you wish to do the comparison, then you should do the most expensive for both.  Of course, all 3 real methods, entry point, average price, and most expensive, will just back my point up.

I didn't say you were saying it would do better.  You were arguing that it will cut into PS5's market share, though. Sounded like in the hope that the PS5 wouldn't pass the Switch.  I'm saying we have no idea if that it will be the case.  MS hasn't done a very good job this gen to convince people to continue to stick with them, or stay for next gen.  And with MS really wanting to switch to streaming, it would lower my confidence in them really caring about the HW side of things.  And like I said, their new 1st party has yet to prove itself under MS's guidance.  Their track record in that aspect isn't the greatest.  Nor is the output of their exclusives in the back half of the gen.

I did make one of those predictions.  I've never hid that fact.  But, to say it had no basis in logic after a failed Wii U and a 3DS that failed at the $249 price point is just showing your blind bias.  That has more grounding in logic than the predictions from some Nintendo fans that claimed PS4/XBO were doomed and the console market was dying, all because the successor to the almighty Wii had failed.  Now, I will say that if people had those predictions after a year of the Switch being on the market, then yes, they were blinded by their own bias.  But, before launch, and maybe even slightly after it, there was perfectly sound logic in that assumption.

In other words, you have no argument, so resort to insults.  You are right, these upcoming console wars are going to be fun for me to watch.