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Torillian said:

All that said, if you don't want to have the debate about whether games are an art form or whether games should have to be "fun" and instead want to just dunk on a particular Kojima game then you and I are on different pages. I don't have any interest in defending Death Stranding. You can think it's terrible and doesn't deserve its scores if you like, my only interest is in the more general topic which I find interesting and worthwhile putting thought into.

And what makes you think I have any interest in dunking on this Kojima game?

My only interest was to add some balance to all the people previously losing their shit over certain review sites apparently low-balling the score for this game, by pointing out how certain review sites were also giving this game near perfect scores while also admitting the game wasn't "fun". And maybe I embellished that point a bit in my last post.

Unlike some people, I'm not gonna pretend I believe it deserves any of it's criticisms, as I haven't even played it yet. But obviously we won't ever be on the same page if you don't even think having fun is important for a long, big budget game like this.