DonFerrari on 18 October 2019
EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:
Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.
PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.
But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.
PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.
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I thought it was that it would have the fastest SSD, compared to a PC equivalent in price to the PS5. So how fast is the SSD in a $500 PC generally? The PS5 will be faster than that, but won't make it the fastest SSD on the market by late 2020. It may however be faster than anticipated, due to it's customization and integration into the console.
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Nope. He didn't say compared to equivalent PC. He just said available to PC. Because you could either make a barebone PC with only the SSD being good, or other components being good and throwing a very old HDD on it, both could cost 500 so it would be pointless comparison.
Lafiel said:
Pemalite said:
Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.
PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.
But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.
PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.
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aren't you being a bit disingenuous yourself here?
Unless I missed a more recent comment, Cerny said it was better than anything in current PCs when PCI-E 4.0 wasn't released. And an Epyc CPU is not something for "PCs" (_personal_ computers), it's server hardware. The kind of raids you describe are extremely unlikely to be used for personal/private use.
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I would like to know what would be the reasonable limit of what was available to PC at the time. Because I can sulk up Mark being hyperbolic or a little disingenuous/not transparent, but a flat ou lie on the like of saying they will have a SSD faster than what is available to PC but meaning "faster than HDD" doesn't make much sense. We can throw all hell to Ken Kutaragi on PS3, but he wasn't lying when he touted Cell capabilities versus other chips, it just didn't matter as much as the numbers suggested.
