Cross-play on PlayStation 4 is now available for all developers to use in their games

[DonFerrari]

Azzanation said:

DonFerrari said: 

Sure I will agree that Sony is more reliant on 3rd parties than Nintendo. But if they were reliant as it seemed you implied then they would be more close to Xbox level of sales instead of dominating console game HW sales since they entered the market.

Don the PS4 didn't outsell the XB1 at launch because of the superior SW it had, in fact for the first 1 or 2 years the XB1 had offered better SW than the PS4. Remember the PS4 draught everyone was saying? Greatness Awaits with pictures of skeletons? PS4s first big hitter was Bloodborne however that didn't change or affect the PS4's sales in any form or matter. The PS4 was selling so well due to the lack of competition and when I mean lack of, I refer to the consumer hatred towards the WiiU and XB1.

In the PS1 era, Sony didn't have great 1st party games either yet the PS1 outsold the N64 and the N64 was in a league of its own when it came to delivering the best 1st party games. Same can be said with the PS2 were Sega and Nintendo still had better 1st party output yet the PS2 outsold them all due to again.. marketing. The Dreamcast and Gamecube were no different to the WiiU and XB1 this gen.

Sony really only started hitting home runs with there 1st party games with the PS3. Sony never dominated a market based off there own 1st party games. PS4's 1st party games came later in its life but by than the gen has already spoken. However like the PS1 and PS2, it wouldn't have mattered because even if you take away all of PS4's big hitting AAA Exclusive games this gen, the PS4 would have still outsold the WiiU and XB1 based off its marketing and competition.

It really goes to show how safe Sony play it because there have been two generations where Sony dominated in sales yet when you look at there competitors both gens ended up with a flop and a underselling system while Sony kept things the same. Just look at the DS controller design, it resembles Sony's stance of not changing while you look at Nintendo, Sega and Xbox, there are always changes.

We are both banned from talking to one another although you usually forgets it. But since this post seems well behaved I'll reply.

Yes Xbox had more 3rd party exclusives than PS4 on the beginning of the gen (speculation is that devs expected MS to win the gen at that moment). But users had seem MS drop the ball on the late life of their consoles on Xbox og and X360 with very few AAA games, while Sony kept launching the best games they could until the brink of the next gen (just see PS3 with TLOU and GT6 coming in the same year and in GT case months away from PS4). That had people trust on Sony support for the system. You can try to dismiss or lower the impact, put it will stand.

Sony had plenty of great exclusives on PS1 and some of them were 1st party at the moment or became after acquisition. To say Dreamcast had a great 1st party output is pushing the boundaries a little, if that was true it wouldn't have suffered such a major and fast defeat.

But not sure where you got confused on the conversation, I was talking of the Sony of today with him, he is talking about Sony, MS or Nintendo leaving the market, that would happen based on the content of today and reliance of today not of PS1. Today on PS4, Sony is a lot less reliant on 3rd party than they were on PS1 and they are much less reliant than Xbox. Because Xbox have been cheaper than PS4 since basically the second year on the market and had most of the 3rd party games (exceptions outside of games not much relevant outside of Japan are very few) so if Sony was as reliant on the 3rd parties as in the past then most likely Xbox would have had a chance of catching up. Also if Nintendo 1st party was unbeatable they wouldn't have lost all the gens I have mentioned. All companies depend on larger or lesser degree of their own 1st party and 3rd parties to deny that is just plain wrong.

And sure I would expect you to try and take away credit from the success of a console that were able to dominate 3 gens without any contest and on the one they made several mistakes were able to overcome and still outsell its main competitor.

Sorry to tell you, but success hardly come from playing safe, it comes from playing smart. You change what you need and keep what is doing well, but no company could be as dominant in a field for 20 years just playing safe.