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RaptorChrist on 10 October 2019
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I saw this after it was first posted, and I thought it was a "quoted for truth" type of thing, until a couple hours later I revisit the thread and notice upon closer inspection that pretty much everything I said was disagreed with, even the things that I had not intended or imagined would be debatable. Now whenever something like this is disagreed upon in it's entirety, I tread carefully, as it's generally difficult to reason with people that have a very strong bias in favor of one thing or another.

But then I noticed that it was from none other than the legendary Don himself. It would be a disservice to not engage in friendly discourse with a god among men. I'm truly not worthy.

(I'll try to remove some paragraphs so the quote isn't too long.)

DonFerrari said:
RaptorChrist said:

Since they put PSVR, something entirely new on the gen, and make games for it, plus have plenty of different genres and games released (new IPs as well) the only way to say Sony is playing safe is because they released less games and most if not all have done very well commercially and critically. But having success in all you have launched doesn't make playing safe, more like playing smart or just succeeding. And when game development take longer to do it is kinda hard keep similar output to last gen, and since they don't need to convince people to get back to Playstation they also don't need to bet on the 60% of their output making loss and only 20% profiting. Still we got Racing game, Open World, FPS, Action, Platformer, Hero Games, etc. Hardly less than MS output or "risks".

You first explained how Sony is actually not playing it safe, but followed it up by explaining reasons why they don't have a need to take risks. Don, this is some seriously pro tech; it's like you are tackling this argument from all angles. Not only does Sony take risks, but even if they didn't, they are excused.

Risk on HW maybe, risk on SW nope. Their games use less resources and sell more than most titles from other companies. Just look to the thread where someone said Sony is reaching Nintendo level of sales of SW and all the denial it received.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

You can say rely, but since Sony have made several blockbusters and steady launching them, plus GOTY contenders and winners in spade on the gen (some years with over 3 contenders) it is more like that at this moment the platform is where 3rd party can thrive not one that depends heavily on them.

Yep, Sony makes awesome games. I still think what I said is true. Would you instead agree that they rely more on third parties than Nintendo does? Or is the word "rely" that you're hung up on. I tried to choose my words carefully.

How would the market shrink so drastically (talking about consoles) if it haven't shrink at all when they failed on N64, GC and WiiU? And since Nintendo isn't doing Handhelds exclusively as far as we know then that major shrink wouldn't really happen.

The gaming market as a whole had tremendous growth during the late 80s, 90s and 2000s as a result of Nintendo making it a thing again, and it has been growing ever since. Right?

No need for source (it may have changed this gen who knows) but we have seem plenty of sources on Wii and WiiU that a lot of its owner also had A PS3/4 or X360/1, which would defeat your previous point.

My previous point? So we're clear, am I on Nintendo's side this time? I've been playing games for many years, and I play all kinds of games. I think the bigger question here, and I apologize if you get asked this a lot, but do you only buy Sony consoles? Do you dislike Nintendo? I am honestly curious to learn more about how you perceive things. And I don't mean to make assumptions, but it seems to be clear that you are a PlayStation fan, but I'm wondering if you acknowledge your bias? (This is me treading carefully.)