Finally joined the PC Master Race

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Cobretti2 said:

Pemalite said:

Unemployed "bums" are forced to do "work for the dole" and usually get paid $277.85 - $300.55 a week.
They are also required to apply for a fixed amount of jobs per week.

That might seem like allot of money and they are living it easy... But that is far from reality.

The cost of living is proportionally greater than it seems... For example rent alone can take the entire lot of that payment with average apartment rental rates  being anywhere from $295-$550 depending on city you live in.

Those on a disability pension pull in $463.10.. And they will be assessed on their working capacity and if they are deemed able to work... Will be forced to do so.

And some forms of welfare actually save the Government money.. As you know we have a Universal Healthcare system, it's much cheaper to put someone on say... A Carers Pension to look after someone aged/disabled and keep them out of the health system than it is to put someone into full time, professional care/home.

...Economically it has done well for us as well. Unlike say... Tax cuts for the top 1% of town, everyone in the bottom 20% tend to spend all of their income, so it's money being more readily circulated in the economy, various business profited greatly from it, Radio Rentals for instance was a big benefactor here in South Australia for instance.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-20/radio-rentals-reaps-$90-million-in-centrelink-payments/6333690

Rest assured, those with 10 children are the exception and not the norm.

The big expense of welfare isn't parents anyway or those who abuse the system or even those who don't want to work or whatever... It's actually seniors/aged/elderly on their pensions.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook45p/WelfareCost

Not sure if laws have changed or not, but I knew people on welfare, who paid like $100 a week for a 3 bedroom house for the department housing they were given. They also were given a concession card for health care and other public services.

As for work for the dole scheme that we now have, I have had some employers say they lie about the person doing work for the dole. The main reason is because it is easier for them to say that then to deal with them on site as they tent to waste time and create more work then the original work is intended to do.

I am not against the dole in principle, but when you can clearly see that some people don't try to get out of that cycle, then something needs to be done. However I don't think it will be as it is easier to create welfare suburbs and ship the problem out of mind and out of site. Give them enough cash not to cause trouble (ie reduce crimes like breakins) and it isn't a problem.

Hopefully the pension problem will reduce over time as now we have super funds to offset 100% reliance on government payments.

goopy20 said:

Pemalite said:

Some PC retail boxes just include a box with a redeemable download CD Key inside that you redeem on Steam. I kid you not. Haha

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, that's damn impressive eitherway.

But that is your argument when you essentially stated that unless you have a Geforce 2080, that your PC might as well end in the bin.
Do I need to bring more quotes out? Talk about disingenuous...

Here we go again... He pulled out another game to try and shift the goal post.

1) Get a Radeon 5870. (He is using a Radeon 5850.)
2) Overclock said Radeon 5870. (Most can do 950/1250 over the stock 900/1225 {Core/Mem} if not more.)
3) Drop settings to low. (Video is using medium.)
4) Drop resolution back to 900P or maybe even 720P (Video is using 1080P, Xbox One is 792P.)
5) Profit.

But you know what is amazing? That a GPU from 10 years ago is running that game at all, there is still room to improve the experience.

I bet a GPU that is a year newer like the Radeon 6970 with it's 2GB buffer would probably be fine running the game at 1080P.
The lesser 6950 (With a heap of Medium settings again):

Umm. Think lower than a hypothetical RTX 3060.
RTX 3030/RTX 3050/RTX 3050 Ti... And maybe the RTX 3060. - They will likely all have fillrates and memory buffers that come up short against the RTX 2080, nVidia never makes a high-end GPU a low-end one in a single generation these days.

Doesn't matter what you said.

Let's take Polaris... That released in 2016 as the Radeon RX 480 8GB.
Next year it will be 4 years old... It's still a very capable mid-range part.

AMD later rebadged it as the RX 580, then ported the design over to 12nm, increased clocks and called it the RX 590,  those GPU's are not going to suddenly become incapable of gaming next year.

Umm. The PC is the domain of MMO's. - It has lots of big worlds that get streamed in.. And that was happening before SSD's became mainstream.

But just because you have fast storage doesn't mean you will have zero load times, load times being eliminated is not guaranteed for next-gen, don't drink the propaganda kool-aid being pushed out, it's up to the developers in the end... Just like 1080P/4k on the current consoles.
Games still need to compile shaders, decompress textures and games that use procedural generations... Need to procedurally generate... And such tasks are often held back by the CPU or GPU rather than the storage subsystem and thus a loading screen is still a requirement in some scenarios.

SSD's on PC will be faster than the Playstation 5, in games that are held back by sequential memory transfers into DRAM, the PC will beat consoles... Fast SSD's aren't a replacement for RAM, which the PC also has more of.
In short you can eliminate load times on PC today... When the above aren't factors.

Those are the real facts.

The Xbox One X and Playstation 4 Pro often only use medium-quality PC equivalent settings... Which don't stray significantly far from the base consoles. - But because their hardware is only mid-range, developers tend to sink all the extra headroom into driving resolution/framerates.

High-end PC's actually get used, they get higher resolutions, higher framerates, better texturing, lighting, shadowing, effects and more.

Next-gen consoles the resolution will be entirely up to the developers, just like this generation, on PC you can choose.

I didn't say anyone should just chug their pc in the bin if they don't have a 2700RTX next gen. I'm saying the minimum requirements will go up to match exactly what will be in these consoles for most major releases in 2021. If you want to play those games in 720p at the lowest settings, then fine. But after all the talk about 120FPS, 4k resolution on triple monitors, it doesn't sound like that is a viable option.

I don't think you understand what minimum requirement means, and also 120 fps at 4k isn't minimum, just putting that out there. :)