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d21lewis on 21 September 2019
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Azzanation said:
Ganoncrotch said:

My point about Kinect was that once it appeared MS focused a ton of their work and attention on the device, Rare was pretty much just assigned as a Kinect minigame producer for the latter years of the X360 and while Sony did create the move and the PSeye which do work with the ps4 as well as 3 (as in the PS3 move works with the PS4) they didn't completely stop their work on some amazing ps3 titles towards the end of the systems life (the last of us) or hamper the PS4 by packing it with Move 2.0 as Microsoft did with the Kinect, that's why I'm saying the Kinect was the catalyst in the failing end of the X360 and the start of the rough road the X1 began on.

Also saying that Xbox360 subs was incoming from nothing? Say what? Outside of the obvious costs of running and maintaining the service from June 2013 until now that sub gives 2-4 games per month to the subscribers, are you suggesting that it no cash passes to the third parties who's games are added to that service? for the million or so licenses of them which are gotten by subscribers you think there is no cost for MS involved in that transaction, on top of the bandwidth of people downloading tons of games they might never play just because they're now "free" to them, X360 games in particular since those could be used even after your live sub expires. Point being, that isn't money from nothing.

Kinect's fate with the XB1 does not affect the 360s success and the money that was made from it. Xbox followed on with Kinect 2.0 while Sony followed on with Move 2.0. They did the exact same thing, only thing is Xbox bundled it at launch instead of separately.

Also I am little confused as to why you mention June 2013 onwards for subs.. that's the XB1 service. The 360 had Gold Live Memberships which was a $60 yearly service which opened Online Multiplayer. From my memory the 360 did not give away free games monthly so it didn't have to mend any royalties to 3rd parties from give-aways. XB1 added free monthly games not the 360 era. The Live Store would give royalties obviously from digital sales however that's a different feature.

PS3 did not have any profits from memberships for majority of the generation hence why the Multiplayer was free back than. Xbox made billions from Live Subs through-out the 7 year 360 lifecycle.

Move 2.0?