| Mar1217 said: Don't you mean " His rant is about how Microsoft is worse than Sony or Nintendo in regards to MTX, Lootboxes and how they normalized the pratice of using those in your games since they've implemented those in their own 1st party software while Nintendo and Sony abstained from doing so because they're actually there to sell their own platforms with exclusive and quality games while Microsoft went with the latest trend of the industry to make another quick buck which means they need to undermine the player experience to do so. (thus right at the beginning of the generation while this wasn't even seen as a problem yet) " |
You're only proving my point when you try to say that Sony and Nintendo haven't implemented any of this MTX crap into their own games. Probably because, as I've said, it kind of makes his entire video moot. Also, you seem as confused as he does in regards to "normalizing" stuff. MTX were already commonplace when this gen started. At the launch of this gen, Microsoft had first party games with MTX. Sony had games with MTX. Nintendo did not, but it wasn't by choice and/or some moral high ground. But Nintendo eventually did jump into the fray with Amiibo, locking content in games you paid full price for and only unlocking them if you went out and hunted for a toy. Isn't this "undermining the player experience" for a quick buck? Yep.
| Mar1217 said: It'd be actually great if you could keep his speech as it is instead of changing it to suit the need of your argumentation which isn't really one let's be honest. Deflecting the critiscism onto others to make them appear in a better picture is not a good tactic here. |
Yeah, you aren't really getting it. It's not "deflecting onto others" if the entire premise of his argument is that Nintendo and Sony haven't dabbled in the MTX waters. If his argument were that MS was one of the companies guilty of shady MTX and DLC, but not the only platform holder, I'd be fine with that. I've talked on this forum about some of MS's shitty DLC stuff. I didn't buy Gears 4 because of it. I didn't buy Forza 5, 6, or 7, or Horizon 2, or 3 because of it. And those were all good games. But his argument is that while the other two platform holders have avoided MTX fuckery, Microsoft did not, and thus are guilty of helping normalize it. That's simply not consistent with facts. And again, pointing out that both Nintendo and Sony have had their own shitty MTX fuckery isn't deflecting, it's debunking. Hope that helps.
| Mar1217 said: 2nd problem arises when you mention about the Big 3 facing similar issues, which is actually just ONE in this case and that is their unwillingless to move or make a combine effort to actually stomp the problems perpetuated by the implementation of MTX and Lootboxes to protect the consummers. Why though ? Because 3rd party games brings them support and money to their platform which is important if you wanna grow your platform. Outright refusal by moral purpose could condemn their own platform since no 3rd party would produce games for them. |
This is just a long way of saying companies like money. Surprise, the other two enjoy reaping the benefits of revenue for online play just like Microsoft. Surprise, the other two enjoy monetizing games with MTX just like Microsoft. It's almost as if these are all companies with an agenda first and foremost to make money.
| Mar1217 said: I digress though, this last paragraph would actually make the fine blueprint of another argumentation for one of his epsiodesmin the future but as was said by him, bringing the other platform holder wasn't the point of this video so honestly, if you're not sastisfied, you should probably move on in best cases. |
Move on from what? Just discussing why his video was nonsense. It's not as if we're on his website (assuming he has one) or that I subscribe.
Here's what his video harps on. These Xbone games had MTX at launch:
Ryse (you could buy gold for the online co-op mode)
Lococycle (I'd detail the MTX in this game but like 99% of other gamers, I never played it)
Crimson Dragon (you could buy gems in the game)
Forza 5 had in game currency MTX
Explain to me how these games helped normalize MTX in games more so than:
Killzone Shadow Fall having voice over, weapon skins, and player skin MTX
MLB The Show having in game currency MTX
Gran Turismo 6 having in game currency MTX
The Last of Us having a slew of cosmetic MTX in MP plus lots of premium loadout MTX and pay to win weapon MTX
All of which was around at the same time. I'm sure there are more Sony games that had MTX, I'm sure there are more MS games that had them. This isn't deflecting, MS deserves criticism for some of their MTX stuff. But this idea that Sony and Nintendo abstained is factually false and it makes his argument as presented, wrong.
But he wants clicks I guess.
