At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[Pemalite]

JWeinCom said:

Pemalite said:

I am part of the LGBT community... And from what a ton of Trans people have told me, it's that they feel they are trapped in a body that doesn't belong to them.
It has absolutely nothing to do with society expectations, their mannerisms/how they act.
They simply feel they aren't the person they are supposed to be, which I can relate with. Hence the Gym example.

Just because a man wears a dress, makeup, is emotional... And has feminine outward characteristics, doesn't make them Trans, they can still identify as the sex they were born with.
Whether if such judgement has any effect on the amount of people undergoing transition? That's a good question, Transitioning/Transgender seems more common now, because people are more free to be who they want to be in the modern era.

In short, they don't need to live in the closet.

I think in general we should try to limit gender reassignment surgery as much as possible.  Not on any kind of moral grounds or anything, but simply on the basis that we always want to use the least extreme medical intervention as possible, and surgery is a pretty extreme option.  If a doctor/psychiatrist decides it's truly the best option, then I'm for it, but if there is a way to make trans people feel comfortable with themselves without surgery, I think that would be preferable.  

As for feeling trapped in a body, I just don't get that.  As a male, I really have no concept of what being a man means beyond physical factors and in most, but definitely not all, circumstances being more in line with societal expectations for a man than a woman.  I don't know what "feeling like a man" inside would mean beyond acting in line with societal expectations of a man. And I'm, not sure the gym example is comparable.  Like, do you feel that you want to be more muscular or fit than you are?  I get that.  But do you feel like you somehow really are that fit and muscular on the inside and it's just somehow not showing?  That I don't really get.  And from my understanding, being trans is less about wanting to be the other gender, but more of feeling that you already are.  

Maybe it's just one of those things you have to experience, and because I identify with the gender I was born as, I haven't ever really had to question it.  But it's still something I can't really wrap my head around.

I can't speak for other countries... But surgery is certainly a "last resort" here in Australia pretty much.
You need to actually have multiple evaluations, see a psychiatrist and more before you can attempt it from what I have been told by the Trans people in my life.

Then you have the cost... It cost my mate 10 thousand dollars for just the top surgery. (Removal of breasts.)
And bottom surgery is going to be more significant from a cost perspective... Something like 30 grand. - So it's not just a walk in the park by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes I feel less fit and muscular on the inside, or rather I don't feel I am what I should be physically, although other people will see my muscular definition and be pretty envious... It's difficult to explain, it's a dysphoria though.