At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[JWeinCom]

o_O.Q said:

Pemalite said:

Clearly you don't understand the concepts of being transgender and transitioning if that is your line of thinking... But at this point with the several threads on the topic and lots of people chiming in to tell you how it all works... Probably anything I say at this point will not change your line of thinking anyhow.

Transitioning is the process of changing ones gender presentation and/or sex characteristics in order to conform to your own internal gender identity, it's like you are trapped in a body that isn't your own.

Transitioning is a process, not a singular event... You don't just wake up and are automagically Transgender, you were born that way... Likewise you don't transition overnight to the gender you identify as, it's a process... And some people will spend a lifetime transitioning.

It's more or less to do with how one sees themselves, rather than how everyone else perceives them.

Which is why it is a "dysphoria".

It is like going to the Gym, 90% of the people that go (myself included) are generally deemed relatively attractive by the population, but generally we are unhappy with the way we look because we feel we haven't achieved our physical "look" so to speak, which is why that is also a dysphoria.

Exactly, make sure he understands the concept before he argues against it.

"Clearly you don't understand the concepts of being transgender and transitioning"

I'm arguing against the idea that a man becomes a woman through simply identifying as one without transitioning

"Transitioning is a process, not a singular event... You don't just wake up and are automagically Transgender, you were born that way... Likewise you don't transition overnight to the gender you identify as, it's a process... And some people will spend a lifetime transitioning."

so... just to clarify you think transitioning or as jweincom would say "conforming to gender stereotypes"(looking and behaving as a man or a woman is expected to) is necessary to be regarded as the preferred gender for a trans person?

"It's more or less to do with how one sees themselves, rather than how everyone else perceives them.

Which is why it is a "dysphoria".

It is like going to the Gym, 90% of the people that go (myself included) are generally deemed relatively attractive by the population, but generally we are unhappy with the way we look because we feel we haven't achieved our physical "look" so to speak, which is why that is also a dysphoria."

you haven't understood jweincom's argument I believe and hopefully he'll work with you a little more

what he is saying I believe is that we need to work on breaking down this idea that a woman has look or behave a certain way and that a man has to look and behave a certain way, so if I'm right, for him transitioning is not necessary for a trans person to be their preferred gender

You're half right.  I think breaking down those ideas is beneficial not just for trans people but people in general.  But, I would not say that transitioning is not necessary.   I don't have nearly enough knowledge or experience in this matter to tell a trans person what is or is not necessary for them.  What I'm saying is that I don't understand the reason why a physical transformation is necessary. But just because I don't understand the reason doesn't mean there isn't one.