Pemalite said:
o_O.Q said:
"They aren't a fit muscular person regardless of what they think, so your point is entirely moot."
but a man is a woman if he identifies as one?
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Clearly you don't understand the concepts of being transgender and transitioning if that is your line of thinking... But at this point with the several threads on the topic and lots of people chiming in to tell you how it all works... Probably anything I say at this point will not change your line of thinking anyhow.
o_O.Q said:
"Trans people for all intents and purposes can be the gender they identify as, as they can have the surgery, hormone treatment and other such things to adhere to stereotypical gender norms."
and what if they don't transition?
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Transitioning is the process of changing ones gender presentation and/or sex characteristics in order to conform to your own internal gender identity, it's like you are trapped in a body that isn't your own.
Transitioning is a process, not a singular event... You don't just wake up and are automagically Transgender, you were born that way... Likewise you don't transition overnight to the gender you identify as, it's a process... And some people will spend a lifetime transitioning.
JWeinCom said:
Does adhering to stereotypes make one a certain gender? I'd say that's a dangerous argument to make, as it calls into question the gender of those who do not adhere to gender norms.
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It's more or less to do with how one sees themselves, rather than how everyone else perceives them.
Which is why it is a "dysphoria".
It is like going to the Gym, 90% of the people that go (myself included) are generally deemed relatively attractive by the population, but generally we are unhappy with the way we look because we feel we haven't achieved our physical "look" so to speak, which is why that is also a dysphoria.
SpokenTruth said:
You know what? I'm just going to dumb it down for you.
If you are born a biological woman but have a male gender psychology, you will feel like a man on the inside despite a female biology.
But you cannot have an obese or muscular psychology regardless of gender or sex.
I really don't think I can make that any clearer for you.
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Exactly, make sure he understands the concept before he argues against it.
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I get what dysphoria is, but that really wasn't my question.
I guess what I don't understand about trans people is whether or not they are transitioning because they actually feel like another gender, or is it because they like to behave in a certain manner which would be acceptable for the other gender, but not for them. In other words is the dysphoria based on what they are vs society's expectations, or what they want to do vs society's expectations?
For instance, if we had a world where a man was not judged for wearing dresses, makeup, being emotional, or other things that are typically considered feminine, would we see a decrease in the amount of people transitioning from male to female?
