At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[o_O.Q]

SpokenTruth said:

o_O.Q said:

"And where is the psychology behind that?  You are describing a purely physical attribute, not a mixed physical and psychological one as gender identity is"

1). how would it be different? I'm saying the fat man feels like a muscular man inside and wants to identify as one despite not having that body type

2). just like how a man may claim he feels like a woman inside and wants to identify as one despite not having that body type

"An obese person cannot identify as muscular the same way one can identify as a gender because there is not a psychological factor."

3). so a fat man and a muscular man have less similarities psychologically than a biological male and a biological female?

"A transgender psychologically feels like and psychologically functions like the gender they are identifying with."

4). why would you presume that this can only occur with gender?

1). But "muscular man" is not a psychological condition.  It's physical. 

2). But "feeling like the (gender) man/woman" is psychological. Are you confusing gender and physical sex again?

3). You completely read that wrong because you failed to understand points 1 and 2 above.  Go back and start again.

4). Again, go back to points 1 and 2 and start again.  If you are ignoring the psychology of it all, then you will never understand it. Period.

You know what?  I'm just going to dumb it down for you.

If you are born a biological woman but have a male gender psychology, you will feel like a man on the inside despite a female biology.

But you cannot have an obese or muscular psychology regardless of gender or sex.

I really don't think I can make that any clearer for you.

"But "muscular man" is not a psychological condition.  It's physical. "

its not, I'm saying that the identity of the person is that of a muscular man

"But "feeling like the (gender) man/woman" is psychological. Are you confusing gender and physical sex again?"

If you are saying that gender is a psychological state and people can just identify that they should have physical attributes that they do not, why would this exclude muscles? why do you believe it can only apply to just female sexual characteristics or male sexual characteristics?

just for clarity you would not entertain someone who is fat identifying as someone who is muscular?

"But you cannot have an obese or muscular psychology regardless of gender or sex."

that's not true, there are significant differences in the psychological state of an obese person compared to a fit muscular person

it seems to me like you don't understand that your psychology is actually pretty variable beyond the influences sex has on it