At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

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Pemalite said:

o_O.Q said:

hold on, lets make a distinction here

I can criticise the ideas at play here without criticising the right of trans people to do whatever they want

which is my position in just about everything, let people do whatever the hell they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others

but at the same time ideas that are illogical should be criticised

"Obesity and being Transgender are completely different"

I'm talking about identity not obesity itself... there are obviously obese people who identify as being fat

what I'm asking is what happens if an obese person identifies as a fit muscular person? do we play along with that or not?

They aren't a fit muscular person regardless of what they think, so your point is entirely moot.

Trans people for all intents and purposes can be the gender they identify as, as they can have the surgery, hormone treatment and other such things to adhere to stereotypical gender norms.

Does adhering to stereotypes make one a certain gender?  I'd say that's a dangerous argument to make, as it calls into question the gender of those who do not adhere to gender norms.