SaveJames - Liberal mom forcing her son to act like a girl?

[o_O.Q]

the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

"I see you assuming what I'll do... "

because you've done it several times before but I'm glad to see that you've made the plunge now

I don't think so.  

You sure you don't have me confused with someone else?

o_O.Q said:

Or you're lying and it makes no impact on me."

well that's good, you at least appear to authentically accept that biology has no bearing on whether a person is a man or a woman

so in your opinion this guy broke the women's weightlifting record?

https://twitter.com/zubymusic/status/1100348562041462784?lang=en

o_O.Q said:

"I see you assuming what I'll do... "

because you've done it several times before but I'm glad to see that you've made the plunge now

"I'll gladly call you a woman.  I personally don't care even if you were lying, because some random person's gender doesn't affect me.  

Either you're being sincere, and it's important to you.

Or you're lying and it makes no impact on me."

well that's good, you at least appear to authentically accept that biology has no bearing on whether a person is a man or a woman

so in your opinion this guy broke the women's weightlifting record?

https://twitter.com/zubymusic/status/1100348562041462784?lang=en

I personally don't care about weight lifting records.  For the people that do, they might care, because the person isn't being sincere.  

o_O.Q said:

"Now, who's deflecting? "

this is like me asking if you know how much poop an elephant can expel in one sitting and expecting you to treat that like its a part of the flow of the conversation

the fact that women can be muscular has no bearing on me asking if all that matters is identity

Except both questions are actually relevant.  

>the fact that women can be muscular has no bearing on me asking if all that matters is identity

Except you don't seem to believe that if.  

The reason I was asking, is because you seem to have intentionally chosen a description of features that tend to be considered manly.  Which is problematic for you argument, because it would suggest that there's some kind of manliness scale (in other words that either gender or sex are nonbinary).  

o_O.Q said:

"I'm just wondering why you'd think it's relevant."

because I actually think biology which means the physical reality of the structure of bodies plays a role in whether a person is male or female, i don't think that simply because exceptions exist then that means that categories must be discarded with

whether you guys understand it or not that is the position you are taking, I understand that the idea is to be inclusive, but if there is no limit to it then obviously all you're doing is discarding the categories

now you'll argue that this is not the case, but you have discarded all boundaries when it comes to physical classification of male and female which is absurd

and in addition to that biology and again this means the physical reality of the structure of bodies then has a role to play in gender

>because I actually think biology which means the physical reality of the structure of bodies plays a role in whether a person is male or female, i don't think that simply because exceptions exist then that means that categories must be discarded with

1.)  Even if it did mean that, why would that matter?  We don't have categories for a lot of things.  

2.)  And it doesn't mean that.  It just means the categories are more flexible.  

>whether you guys understand it or not that is the position you are taking

Just because you don't understand the nuance, doesn't mean that is the position being taken.  

"You sure you don't have me confused with someone else?"

its possible

"For the people that do, they might care, because the person isn't being sincere.  "

how do you assess sincerity when it comes to declarations like this?

"the fact that women can be muscular has no bearing on me asking if all that matters is identity

Except you don't seem to believe that if.  "

believe that what?

"The reason I was asking, is because you seem to have intentionally chosen a description of features that tend to be considered manly.  Which is problematic for you argument, because it would suggest that there's some kind of manliness scale (in other words that either gender or sex are nonbinary)"

some men are more apparent than others because their features more prominently display sexual dimorphism

no one that is arguing that males and females actually exist is arguing that there's no variation, just that ultimately because of the collective characteristics of around 99.9999% of the two groups we can easily establish that there are two categories

" Even if it did mean that, why would that matter?  We don't have categories for a lot of things. "

are you a feminist? do you believe women need greater assistance than men from society?

"And it doesn't mean that.  It just means the categories are more flexible."

what boundaries are using to maintain the categories?

"Just because you don't understand the nuance"

you are literally telling me that biology is so messy that a woman can have a penis, a full beard etc etc etc

so with that being said what are you actually using to maintain the distinction between male and female?

it sounds to me like you have nothing and that's why I'm here to see if my assumption is correct or not