SaveJames - Liberal mom forcing her son to act like a girl?

[o_O.Q]

sundin13 said:

o_O.Q said:

"While you may not realize it, you basically just asked "Isn't it easier to change all of society than it is to let someone transition?""

no I'm just looking at this idea of gender being a social construct which I understand to mean that every individual has a projected idea of themself as man or woman and its socially constructed so it can be changed

what I'm asking is why can't we just change that instead of all the surgery and stuff, or am I not understanding the idea?

To keep it simple: A social construct indicates that SOCIETY (hence the word "social") creates an idea of what is masculine and what is feminine and separates the two. As such, it is not the individual who constructs this, it is society. The individual then identifies with the preexisting social norms through their gender identity (and every individual, not just transgendered individuals, do this).

That identity is not socially constructed.

As such, in order to change these "social constructs", you would have to change all of society to rid it of basically the idea of masculinity and femininity which is an impossibly vast undertaking.

Virtually the whole issue seems to hinge on your inability to understand gender and social constructs, which I would forgive if this stuff hadn't been explained to you dozens of times already. At this point, there is no excuse beyond not wanting to understand.

"Virtually the whole issue seems to hinge on your inability to understand gender and social constructs, which I would forgive if this stuff hadn't been explained to you dozens of times already."

no its because of the constant flip flopping on the positions that people like yourself have been doing

when I have proposed before that people could identify as cats or whatever you guys have then told me it was ludicrous to propose that which again contradicts the position you are proposing right now

so do you concede that people can identify as cats and non-human entities now?

"As such, in order to change these "social constructs", you would have to change all of society to rid it of basically the idea of masculinity and femininity which is an impossibly vast undertaking."

doesn't it seem pretty silly to you to argue simultaneously that femininity and masculinity are just projections from society while at the same time arguing that people innately have these constructs within themselves?

you seem to be arguing here that they are separate, that the identity is presumably an innate metaphysical aspect of the person like a soul but yet it still has the same tendencies to align to masculine or feminine that we see projected by society... doesn't something strike you as a bit odd there?

"That identity is not socially constructed."

sounds a lot like a soul, maybe christians and progressives are coming together after all