SaveJames - Liberal mom forcing her son to act like a girl?

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Torillian said:

o_O.Q said:

"That seems like a stretch of the term "mutilate"."

ok lets try this again, do you consider removing healthy tissue to be mutilation?

what about creating wounds that must be kept from healing with lifelong dilation?

"Since when is getting kids reliant on drugs "mutilation"?"

I love how you literally skipped over me talking about cutting away healthy tissue and keeping wounds from healing to a point I raised to address your argument about age

"one either has to stretch the term mutilate to include puberty blockers, the term small children to include 17 year olds (and inherently making a moral judgement that sex reassignment is bad), or just not understand the procedures being done for transgender youth."

why can't mutiate just be used in the way it always has? referring to cutting or gauging away of healthy tissue?

"So by "mutilate small children" you think he meant the administration of puberty blockers for 10-16 year-olds."

the puberty blockers are used in conjunction with reassignment surgery in some cases

I would argue that mutilation has a negative connotation that you would never use for other similar medical procedures. I addressed this when I said I wouldn't call tracheotomies or getting your ears pierced mutilation either. This also addresses your second statement on how I skipped over "cutting away healthy tissue" (I didn't).

Mutilate can mean that, but then we aren't doing it to small children. Unless we stretch the term small children to include 17 year olds. The statement I was addressing requires that small children are being mutilated. Not that someone is mutilated or that small children have other medical procedures happening, but that small children are being mutilated. 

Puberty blockers are thus tangential to something you could define as mutilation if you define surgical gender reassignment as mutilation, but they are not themselves mutilation. Thus, small children are not being mutilated. 

"I would argue that mutilation has a negative connotation that you would never use for other similar medical procedures. "

true, why do you figure someone would use language with a negative connotation to discuss this topic?

" I addressed this when I said I wouldn't call tracheotomies or getting your ears pierced mutilation either."

I suppose at the time I didn't believe you could be making a comparison between cutting off major body parts and tiny incisions for ornaments or for breathing

but now that I've thought on it a bit i have to admit that the comparison makes sense

"Puberty blockers are thus tangential to something you could define as mutilation if you define surgical gender reassignment as mutilation, but they are not themselves mutilation. Thus, small children are not being mutilated. "

ok so lets say we put a kid on puberty blockers and we stop them from going through puberty... which means of course that we've arrested the natural development of their bodies and their primary and secondary sexual characteristics 

what happens next? they just continue through life with an undeveloped body?