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o_O.Q on 29 August 2019
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Torillian said:
o_O.Q said:

"So we're using mutilation for a medical procedure"

what would you call cutting away healthy tissue? making holes in flesh that would close up if there isn't continued dilation forever? putting children in a state where they will be reliant on drugs forever? and ultimately the most important thing of all is that for the most part for most of them it will not work, since as I've stated before the perceptual mechanisms we use to assess people are so embedded you distinguish between trans and unaltered people automatically anyway

"and by "small children" we're talking about 15 year olds talking about procedures they'll have at 17? So small children are anyone under the legal age of adulthood in the US. "

do you understand the purpose of puberty blockers? to block puberty correct? when does puberty occur?

I'd call it a medical procedure. Something a doctor is doing to try and better the life of the patient at their behest. That the medical community has concluded is the best way to treat a mental condition. Just like I wouldn't call ear piercings mutilations, or a tracheotomy. 

Since when is getting kids reliant on drugs "mutilation"? Does mutilation just mean "bad" or "icky" medical related thing? 

So by "mutilate small children" you think he meant the administration of puberty blockers for 10-16 year-olds. That seems like a stretch of the term "mutilate". Basically, my claim is that in order to say the decisions being made are whether or not to "mutilate small children" one either has to stretch the term mutilate to include puberty blockers, the term small children to include 17 year olds (and inherently making a moral judgement that sex reassignment is bad), or just not understand the procedures being done for transgender youth. 

"That seems like a stretch of the term "mutilate"."

ok lets try this again, do you consider removing healthy tissue to be mutilation?

what about creating wounds that must be kept from healing with lifelong dilation?

"Since when is getting kids reliant on drugs "mutilation"?"

I love how you literally skipped over me talking about cutting away healthy tissue and keeping wounds from healing to a point I raised to address your argument about age

"one either has to stretch the term mutilate to include puberty blockers, the term small children to include 17 year olds (and inherently making a moral judgement that sex reassignment is bad), or just not understand the procedures being done for transgender youth."

why can't mutiate just be used in the way it always has? referring to cutting or gauging away of healthy tissue?

"So by "mutilate small children" you think he meant the administration of puberty blockers for 10-16 year-olds."

the puberty blockers are used in conjunction with reassignment surgery in some cases