| Azzanation said: You can say what you wish with what you believe is correct. however the debate will always remain and I will always disagree with anyone thinking the strick laws we have in Australia is for safety only. |
I think the issue you have is that... Because there are a couple of laws which weren't created with safety in mind, that you are under the false assumption that all laws aren't created with safety in mind.
Rather you need to judge the implementation of each law on it's individual merits, otherwise your position is highly fallacious.
| Azzanation said: You still didn't tell me why Australia banned and heavily censored games even after removing the guns? That's my entire point with this topic. Once a country gives in a little, they only keep getting things taken away until you end up with nothing. |
Australia has actually started to relax it's video game censorship rules, even overhauling the rating system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Classification_Board#Adult_ratings_for_video_games
But the reason for the censorship is because the excessive violence, drugs, sex and so on wasn't deemed fit for children under a certain age, those same censorship rules exist in Europe, even in the United States. Aka. ESRB ratings... So Australia isn't unique in this aspect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board
| Azzanation said: Once a country gives in a little, they only keep getting things taken away until you end up with nothing. |
This is the slippery slope logical fallacy, meaning your view on this is actually incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
| Azzanation said: We are down to a sad point in Australia where a Car Steering wheel lock is considered a weapon and should not be allowed visible without being asked the question on why you have one in your car. < Is that what we want? |
It's a large blunt object. You do the math.
| Azzanation said: The car points I brought up to you has its advantages and disadvantages and its still rather funny that the road rules are so strick here with one of the highest amount of speed cameras in the world earning $1b yearly in fines from drivers. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/australias-top-earning-speed-cameras-53919 Quote: "So, a camera that people don't know is there, located at a point where the limit drops from 70 to 40, and it rakes in more fines and revenue than the 26-camera system at five sites along the Hume Freeway? Doesn't sound like a revenue-raising trap at all." |
https://www.statista.com/chart/16913/countries-with-most-speed-cameras-per-km2/
Your fear mongering has no basis in reality, we don't even rank.
And even in regards to CCTV we are actually doing better than a multitude of American cities.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-spied-on-cities-in-the-world.html
| Azzanation said: What you and many want to support is more monetization to people where everything becomes a fineable offence. You shouldn't be fined for having a low car, nor a car with tinted windows nor a loud exhausts nor the 1000s of speed cameras that are set up to trap innocent drivers. And before you argue that if you follow the law than you have nothing to worry about, well again that can be said with a country with guns. |
False. You don't get to choose what I want. I decide that.
You should be fined for having a car that is to low.
You should be fined for having excessively dark tinted windows.
You shouldn't be fined for having a loud exhaust.
Again, the evidence on what those safety implications are and why those laws exist has already been discussed with evidence presented... If you choose to ignore it, then that is on you...
| Azzanation said: Removing guns hasn't stopped gun massacres, as I pointed out with Russia's crime waves only increased with gun shootings when guns were taken away or placed under strick laws. Not all countries will reap the benefits Australia did. |
Removing guns has stopped gun massacres in a multitude of countries, it works more often than not.
Russia has it's own socio-economic and safety issues.
| Azzanation said: Also Australia banned a lot of other things and you couldn't walk the streets with a box cutter in your pocket without being stripped searched and fined for carrying what is considered a weapon. |
Absolutely fake news.
You can walk the streets with a box cutter in your pocket without being fined or having it considered a weapon. - Perhaps you don't actually understand the law at all?
Shit, I carry a multi-tool/pocket knife on me at all times, never had an issue with the police, I actually need it for my line of work.
The law states you are not allowed to carry such devices, concealed, without an appropriate reason, if you need it for work or so on, then it is perfectly fine, you just need evidence. - This was a very specific law to target a very specific problem that was rife. - Know what that was?
http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/when-can-you-carry-a-knife-the-loose-cannon
| Azzanation said: The government here is like EA, they want to monitor your every move and make sure the moment you slip up you will be fined drastically which they pocket. We hate seeing it in gaming so why do we want to see it in real life? Maybe that's where me and you are different people. I respect peoples freedom of choice and if Americans want to own guns than more power to them. After all taking guns away or placing them under strick laws will only benefit the bad guys. |
Nah. Evidence says the opposite.
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What happens in a nation that isn't democratic, highly advanced, developed and stable... Isn't representative of what will happen in a state like the USA or Australia, simple as that.
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A meme is not evidence for anything, unless you are trying to reinforce a confirmation bias of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Not to mention that the UN disarming the world is pretty much a conspiracy theory not based in reality anyway... Which makes your position even more tenuous at best.
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