| Azzanation said: If your method is to take something away to solve an issue than its a fail on our behalf. How about solve the issue that causes it rather than give the government more control. As I have witnessed first hand in this country, give the government an inch, they take a mile. We lost all rights to a lot of things. And if the USA still have gun massacres after implying laws than expect them to keep taking until there is nothing left to take. I don't agree with taking something away from people especially since the majority has done nothing wrong with guns apart from some bad eggs. |
I will say it again... You don't loose access to guns if you are a law-abiding, healthy citizen, simple as that.
I have owned guns, I still use guns... Last time I used a gun was about a year ago when I had to assist a farmer and kill about 50 sheep after his truck rolled over.
But no longer do you see an old fart cocking a shotgun in a rocking chair, yelling at kids to get off his lawn.
| Azzanation said: That's because the problem with people is we want to pass the blame onto something. Its no different to exactly what you are doing instead of blaming video games, you are blaming guns. |
Missing the point yet again.
Video Games can't be blamed in Australia because there are no gun massacres.
| Azzanation said: Do you honestly think fining car drivers because they lowered there car a couple centimetres lower than it should is a life and death situation? Sorry to say, cars actually handle better the lower they are. Its a stupid rule in place much like having a car exhaust a little louder than the limit.. because government control, not safety. And just to prove my point, Motorbikes are aloud to have loud exhausts because it acts like a safety feature so others can here them coming. Why cant we have Neon lights on the bottom of our cars? because of safety? Yeah right. Its incredibly sad how the AUS goverment wont let you do anything to your car. It has nothing to do with safety, just controlling your citizens and making money. Sorry if you believe otherwise. |
As a road crash technician who works in this field? Yes. Yes it actually does make a difference.
If you think you have more qualifications than me on this front...
As for Neon lights... You are only allowed what is specified by the road traffic standards, this is set in such a way so that braking and indicating become prominent light features of a vehicle for the easy identification of what drivers are doing... Otherwise our roads would look like a Christmas festival with all the lights on vehicles.
For example many people back in the late 90's thanks to the fast and the furious were having red and blue neons and people were getting confused with emergency service vehicles, which isn't a good thing, because that drives complacency for when the real thing does come along.
The fact you cannot recognize this is rather troubling...
You can still have neon lights and so on if you are in a stationary position, you just can't have them turned on whilst on the road.
| Azzanation said: Thank You for admitting Drugs and Guns are different. We can own guns, I know but the sneaky thing Australia did was destroy majority of guns so people couldn't actually buy guns which meant buying means imports, special licenses, and finding a place that actually sells guns. yet we still have bike gang shootings all the time. Strange. BTW Pump Action Shotguns are banned from my knowledge in AUS. I would assume same would be for some high powered weaponry as well.
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It wasn't a sneaky thing. The majority of Australians support gun control, there was tons of debate, you would actually be a minority in the way you think on this topic in Australia.
Bikie Gangs are being tackled via other approaches.
Why would anyone need Pump Action Shotguns? Do you like eating led when you kill a roo?
| Azzanation said: I understand both points however its not those who buy guns from shops that are the ones going on these killing sprees. Its also not what Americans want by removing freedom from there citizens because that's basically what it is, removing freedom from those who didn't do anything wrong. Just because some mental idiots go on rampages doesn't mean we need to take away things from the good people. |
You aren't removing a freedom, you can still own guns with gun control.
| Azzanation said: How about ban cigarettes because they cause more deaths per year than these shootings. DO we take cigarettes away from people? DO you stop people from driving cars? do we take the extreme to avoid these death tolls because we care about saving lives, or do you just hate guns and so guns are to blame but anything else that can kill you is okay because a road death is different to a shooting death. |
I would be fully supportive of banning cigarettes. They smell, they are bad for the environment, they are bad for yours and the people around you, health.
| Azzanation said: How about ban cigarettes because they cause more deaths per year than these shootings. DO we take cigarettes away from people? DO you stop people from driving cars? do we take the extreme to avoid these death tolls because we care about saving lives, or do you just hate guns and so guns are to blame but anything else that can kill you is okay because a road death is different to a shooting death. |
If you do nothing... Nothing changes. - And clearly whatever reasoning/arguments/blame-pointing/whatever else the USA has been doing over the past decades in regards to curbing gun massacres simply has not worked.
But what has worked? Gun Control. In Australia.
| Conina said: Are you really sure that the rules about ground clearance have nothing to do with safety for the people within and around the vehicle? If you are lowering your car too much, you can damage it while driving over an obstacle. That damage (f.e. the axes of the car) can put the people in the car and/or other road users in danger, don't you think? And are you really sure that driving down a hill too fast can't put people in the car and/or other road users in danger? Speed limits and monitoring its compliance can be inconvenient, but in most cases it helps prevent traffic deaths (additionally to making money). |
There is actually more to it than that.
Vehicles are designed for crumple zones... It is basic physics, crumple zones absorb kinetic energy. - If you were to take two identical vehicles and substantially lower one... What happens during an impact? Not just with another vehicle, but with animals, pedestrians... The lot?
| VAMatt said: Someone here must worship at the altar of the state. Wow. In some sense, you are demonstrating Azz's point about the authoritarian nature of Australia. You seem to have bought right in. I'll grant you one thing though - you are right that the US is not as free as it is sometimes given credit for. That's a reputation that was once deserved, but probably isn't anymore, unfortunately. |
I don't agree with all laws, but I have seen first hand the effect of what road laws do, I have seen the effect that gun control has done... And will stand-by those legislative choices enacted by the various right-wing and left-wing governments of the day.
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