| Azzanation said: This is where people are blinded by forceful decisions because people only want to push the blame on something. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. |
Drugs don't kill people, people taking drugs kills people.
Ergo drugs should be legalized and readily available in brick and mortar stores right?
| Azzanation said: You can try to take Guns away from people.. guess what, you will be only taking guns away from good people, the bad guys will still have guns. That will be the outcome because Guns are not the issue, its deeper than guns. |
You can try to take Drugs away from people.. guess what, you will be only taking Drugs away from good people, the bad guys will still have Drugs. That will be the outcome because Drugs are not the issue, its deeper than Drugs.
Exact same argument.
I do have to ask though legitimately after poking holes through your highly flawed logic, why are you ignoring how successful other countries have been in enacting gun control? It's saved countless lives. Are lives not highly valued where you come from?
Ganoncrotch said:
I just had to quote, that did make me chuckle a small bit, the logic of "you can't work out the difference that happens when you multiply a figure by 10" I mean... I think it's one of the easiest math asks in this whole thread, you skip the decimal point one right or one left if you want to see how the number would match up in the other region. It's not like you have one cop frantically trying to oversee 400m people. |
Which is why I generally face palm when people use population differences to try to assert something as non comparable.
| Azzanation said:
To both of you - What does having a bigger police force got to do with what's happening here? The police force can only control the basics of crime and sort out aftermaths of situations etc. Having more doesn't change the fact that a country with 400m people will have more idiots, more mental and demented people, more crazies.. put it simpler, more bad guys. Yes Cops will help in some ways but its not going to solve everything which is why these things still happen as you just proven to yourselves that the US has a decent size police force. |
I never mentioned anything about Police? But considering I work in multiple emergency services agencies and thus work intimately with Police... Is this a topic you feel confident in having?
In essence, the fact you have more police, but still high massacre rates just proves that Guns are the fundamental issue, not law enforcement or the resources relating to such.
| Azzanation said:
The issue with the US stems a lot deeper than placing Stricker laws on owning guns. We have rules in place on getting a car licences and the road toll is still one of the highest death casualties in the world. So yes the car argument makes just as much sense. If we want to ban guns because of these killings, than might as well ban cars. That's how stupid it is to blame items and not the individuals. |
Instead of spending decades on what those "deeper issues are". - Remove guns from the equation, save lives and return to the issue once you have sorted your societal issues out, guns will still exist by that time. - Or are you worried that by removing guns from the equation, having less massacres, saving lives that people might not wish to revert such legislation?
You do realize you don't loose access to guns? Right? Right? You literally loose nothing... But potentially gain a shit ton. Like lives... And being a first responder, saving lives is a priority in my daily life... So why isn't it yours?
| Azzanation said:
Humans need to stop blaming things on other things and instead find the real issues behind them. Guns and Video games are not why these shootings happen. Evil people will be evil people regardless if they have guns or not. |
The same arguments you have presented could also be leveraged for the legalization and sale of Meth in brick and mortar stores, if you cannot see how such rhetoric is ultimately flawed... And if you are willing to ignore the substantial evidence that many developed nations have in regards to the success of gun control... I am not sure you could be convinced of anything at this point... And thus perhaps this entire discussion is moot?
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