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Wait Microsoft sells the 360 at a loss ( they do at least in europe ) how would a manufacturer manage to make one cheaper without a downgrade in already poorly made hardware ?They would need to make a profit from it.

This also opens up the possibility of piracy since I dought the hardware makers will receive anything from the sales of games so they won't activley fight piracy like microsoft.

There's also game incompatibility issues , imagine COD5 comming out the "pannasonic XBOX 360 owners want a patch because of poor framerates and crashes whilst the Samsungs 360 owners can't start the game at all".

With a large % XBOX 360 exclusives already on or heading to the PC what would be the point of a 360 ad on ?

I'm done.