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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jpcc86 said:
I dont know, arent Fallout 4 and Skyrim the most successful games of their respective franchises?
I know a lot of people criticized Skyrim for minimizing the role playing and having a more easier adventure approach, but thats exactly what made it break into a much bigger market than the TES franchise ever did before. To me, Morrowing was a slug fest. I dont have time to play games like that anymore.

Well, EA is a successful publisher with many successful games and series. Doesn't mean that they are good guys, or that their games are really good - just that they have much marketing going for them.

Sure, but the numbers we are talking here are not exactly "average" at all. In any case im not talking only sales-wise. EA for example can make (and it does) bad games that sell very well, but those games are not exactly in the "goty" discussion like Skyrim or Fallout4. 

But my point is I dont really consider these to be "its got good reviews but its got bad rep amonst the audience games" like, lets say, The Last Jedi film did. I literally cant picture Skyrim as a game were we say "this is where TES went downhill" like I do with FF13, because I very rarely encounter anyone who gives it bad rep, almost everyone loves it. And again, it made TES a more accesible franchise for general audiences, and not only the niche hardcore role playing audience it had.