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the-pi-guy said:
Snoopy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RfKoex_4vI

It is happening and there are many horror stories about it.

That doesn't mean the stories are true.  

Snoopy said:

Americans can't afford health care and education because of the government is involved. Look how cost of college went way up when the federal government got involved.

Again.  Other country's governments have more involvement with their healthcare.  

And secondly, the government can get involved in a lot of different ways.  Not all of them have the same effects.  

If you can't go into any more detail than "government leads to higher costs", without even looking at the facts, then you can't make a compelling argument.  

Some of these reasons why universities have become so expensive, have nothing to do with government involvement increasing:

-A reduction in state government spending over the past 3 decades.  On this point, less government is literally leading to an increase in cost.  Contrary to your claim.

-Sports spending

The one point that does lead to an increase in spending because of the government has to do with how the government gives loans.  If you replaced loans with actual funding, universities would cost less.  

Snoopy said:

The military isn't socialism because we all know it is something we need to protect our rights. 

There are plenty of arguments that healthcare should be a right that is protected.  

The right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is something written in the constitution.  Healthcare is a natural way to protect the right to life.  

So by your argument "medicare for all" isn't socialism because we all know it is something we need to protect our rights.  

Other countries health care isn't all sunshine and rainbows. If you look at their taxes and the price for basic commodities, you will see they are hurting elsewhere that can also hinder their well being in the first place. Education again went way up in price since anyone can now take a loan and universities have no incentive to lower the price if a student decides to go to college for a useless degree. Also, federal student loans increased significantly which is a form of education spending no matter how you spin it.

Health care isn't a right and neither is the military. Both require money and people who are willing to serve us. Since slavery has been abolished, we shouldn't force others to serve us. The difference is military is something we NEED to protect our "God-given" rights which are pretty much outlined in the bill of rights. Health care at the end of the day is a WANT to improve our lives, not a need. We can have a better health care system if we got the government out of it and it will become much more affordable. The fact our precious government is willing to do deals with big pharmaceutical companies and stop outside competition is an easy example of why we are in this situation in the first place. 

I think the combination of the private sector and states/local is the way to go ultimately for health care and not the federal government which has proven to be a failure.

Last edited by Snoopy - on 16 July 2019