Why can't Dems presidential hopefuls pull this much people for any of their rallys? <20,000+

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Hiku said:

o_O.Q said:

"Bernie Sanders says there's no middle ground on eliminating private insurance"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-says-theres-no-middle-ground-on-eliminating-private-insurance

but that's not socialism correct? because socialism does not exist right?

"Calling it socialism, just to bring up non-developed nations and dictatorships" 

I didn't initially, someone else did and they were called wrong all I did was to point out how its valid for people to state that democrats are pushing socialism... so are we not allowed to discuss this because it potentially makes democrats look bad?

There was nothing valid about your image.
None of the democrats are pushing for USA to become a dictatorship or developing nation. And the country models from other democratic/capitalistic nations that they are looking to emulate are not fictional, unlike what your image suggests.

While some have a mix of public and private health insurance, generally private health insurance is pretty much unheard of.

Socialism is an extremely broad term. You could call roads, bridges, libraries, public schools, law enforcement, etc, socialism.
You shouldn't use labels just for the sake of drawing irrelevant disingenuous correlations for the sake of fearmongering. In that case, just stick to the subject.
That Bernie wants private health insurance to be relegated to elective procedures. As it essentially is in the rest of the developed world.

If anything 'looks bad' it's avoiding what the actual conversation is.
I should not have had to point out why you should compare it to other developed democratic/capitalistic nations, in particular the 'Nordic model' that is often cited as an example, rather than Cambodia.

And this isn't an invitation to debate the definition of socialism.
The democrats are looking to emulate healthcare models from other developed democratic/capitalistic nations. Acting like those countries don't exist, just to fearmonger about irrelevant developing/dictatorships is disingenuous, and something we'll leave to certain news outlets. Not in here please.

"There was nothing valid about your image."

well come on now, there is, socialists constantly claim that there are no real world examples of socialism, whether you agree or disagree with this you should at least be able to acknowledge that this is a thing

"Socialism is an extremely broad term."

socialism as its defined is the public ownership of resources, the abolition of private property and the formation of a stateless society... people include each of these descriptions to varying degrees but ultimately no matter what they all agree that the central idea is public ownership

how does this not describe public ownership?

"Bernie Sanders says there's no middle ground on eliminating private insurance"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-says-theres-no-middle-ground-on-eliminating-private-insurance

he's literally saying he wants all health insurance to be publicly owned and that is reality

"That Bernie wants private health insurance to be relegated to elective procedures."

he says he wants private health insurance to be eliminated

"I should not have had to point out why you should compare it to other developed democratic/capitalistic nations, in particular the 'Nordic model' that is often cited as an example, rather than Cambodia."

which I did not do, I never made a comparison, what I said is that this is clearly socialism

the image as I explained above was to describe a certain trend where real world examples are denied constantly, it has nothing to do with comparing healthcare across nations and if you read my comment you'd realise that

"And this isn't an invitation to debate the definition of socialism."

there's no need for debate, its a pretty easy concept to understand, but people try to cloud the issue for obvious reasons

"he democrats are looking to emulate healthcare models from other developed democratic/capitalistic nations. Acting like those countries don't exist, just to fearmonger about irrelevant developing/dictatorships is disingenuous"

again I did not do this, what I said is that this is clearly socialism, are you in disagreement that this is socialism?

the image as I explained above was to describe a certain trend where real world examples are denied constantly, it has nothing to do with comparing healthcare across nations and if you read my comment you'd realise that