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tsogud on 24 June 2019
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eva01beserk said:
tsogud said:

It's not middle of the road lol it's a tired old conservative talking point that's completely illogical and devoid of facts. While we're on the subject, being "middle of the road" isn't really a stance you're just luke warm and hardly anybody likes that. I'd rather you just be "on the right" and I'm sure some conservatives would rather you just be "on the left."

Edit: the talking point I was referring to didn't get quoted for some reason but just to clarify it was the post Portis quoted earlier about how you think we shouldn't take care of the poor too much or they'll get lazy, something in that vain.

I bet you would like that and many conservatives would to. But unfortunately, its not what we want all the time. You have to cede some times. That attitude of you are with us or against us is what got trump elected. Everyone will not agree 100% on every single issue.

on the edit: Have you ever hear, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for life? Really old life lesson and pretty easy to understand. 

Well obviously people have to come to compromises but that's not really what I was talking about and it's completely different from the "with us or against us" attitude, which most people can agree is not a good attitude to have. I guess I should've been more clear, my issue is that you can't be "in the middle of the road" on issues/topics because that's not really a stance, you're just luke warm. You can be on one side of the argument and still see the other side but ultimately you have to make a definitive stance and then compromise from there.

That proverb applies to trade skills but it doesn't apply here because you literally can't teach the man anything if he's dead due to him not having access to the healthcare he needed. These social programs like universal healthcare and tuition-free education have been proven to work. People still work when their basic needs like healthcare, education, food and shelter are met because they want a more luxurious life. You don't suddenly become lazy because now you have a place to sleep at night.

Last edited by tsogud - on 24 June 2019