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KingofTrolls said:

No need 2b sorry mate, I just wanted to avoid a wall of text, but here we go.

So ofc there are other eshops than Steam, thank God, the competition is back on the market, but I think it kinda backfired at PC gamers so far. Epic is doing it wrong way so far imo. Time will tell,but lets not make it too long.

The Workshops and free mods are a pros of PC market, but to some extent it is also on consoles, like the Skyrim mods, or even userfeedback projects like PS4's Dreams. I talk only about legal mods, because CFM does a lot of tricks.

And of course there are things that consoles do and PC doesn't - in general - like a retail games for example. 

The discounts on PC market are now comparable to PS/Xbox deals, it was totally not like that during PS360 era. Not to even mention the new PC games' price is mostly on par with console counterparts,at least here where I do live, Steam tax pushed things up.Of course there can be other areas where things are diferent, Im speaking my POV.

By biased optimalisation I mean the games that are AMD or Nvidia " friendly", last time it was picked up during Ryzen7/9:Navi presentation. There is more of it, like Rise of The Tomb Raider but it is enough for now.

You are guessing wrong if you think that Star Citizen is in any form of good shape. But this is the story for the whole new thread and it will not be baseless. Not a single bit.

I dont know any Kero, but if he/she was clever enough to pick up obvious points, I would shake a hand. 

"thank god the competition is back on the market"?.

What?. We've had shops on PC for years. We've had GoG for years, hell Origin has been around for years now and even Uplay. This isn't something that just cropped up 2-3 years ago either.

Even before PC existed we had stores, physical stores selling PC games, but these days?, naw, it's down to digital distribution for the most part, and you can see that by walking into any GAME uk store and seeing for yourself. 

I don't see how it's "backfired" for PC gamers "so far". We've had amazing deals over the years with Steam and GoG alone. We've had good deals with third party sites like GmG and CD keys. 

Epic is doing it wrong, because they don't care. They don't want anyone else to be around. I've said it before, Epic wants to be the store, not a store. Everyone else is content or at least fairly happy being a store, to a point where they aren't going out of their way to make cutthroat deals that greatly affect the consumer and competition as a whole. 

The workshop and mod support on PC is quite unparalleled. Consoles get a slight bit of mod support via games like Skyrim SE and Fallout 4, but only thanks to Beth's built in, heavily curated and even half store based mod support. Like on PC, I don't have to pay for Chinese Stealth armor, but on consoles, if you really want it, and it's not on the free section of beth's mod support, but on their "creation store", then you're out of luck and certainly out of quality (because beth's own Chinese stealth armor for example, is vastly inferior to the mod created one, which is entirely free). 

Actually no, PC still has games sold at retail outlets. The only difference being (and this has been a thing for decades, nothing new), is that you cannot return a PC game that has used an activation code or a digital code bought in-store, but even then, game devs aren't exactly happy sunshine & rainbows with customers buying their games second hand, because they hardly see the profits from that, so it's not really a "good" thing, especially for someone like me, who wants a game new and not having a disc scratched by someone, who clearly couldn't take care of said game disc, or box.

The discounts on PC vs console are still different. Just looking at only one console type deal, and trying to compare it to the myriad out there on PC, is frankly not the same. "Steam tax" hasn't actually pushed prices up at all either. I go to GoG and see prices of new games, that can also be on Steam and other outlets, and still cost the same, so it's not solely due to just "steam tax". YOu could also use that argument for higher prices of console games, being solely attributed to "Sony/MS/Nintendo tax". Look at Skyrim when it came out on Switch, they wanted a practical £55-60 for it, and meanwhile, I got SSE on PC for free, while console folk had to pay for their copy of SSE.

Yeah, because AMD and Nvidia pay for that sort of thing. Games that run well on Nvidia hw, means AMD have to pay for devs to work with them to get it to run better on their hw. Devs aren't a charity service. What on earth do you mean by "it is enough for now"?.

No, you're guessing wrong, for simply poking your head into a game you clearly don't give two shits about and offering a steam hot take on it, as well as anyone else on this forum that has also done the same before. Yes it will be baseless mate, simple as. You're not going to change your attitude and instead run your mouth, so get ready to be called out for it, and then some, because I will be there for when that happens. 

Nah, you've known kero for some time now. You try to live up to your title, your forum name and I'm going to be honest, it's pretty sad.



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