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JaggedSac on 25 June 2008
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greenmedic88 said:

And that's why it makes more sense for MS to keep their XBL price structuring as is. Only a minority of people paying for it are complaining. Others will just stop subscribing. Either way, at this point, MS has already established a working system that partially depends upon subscriptions fee revenues as a part of their bottom line.

I'm getting the impression you didn't read that very clearly since you only homed in on the text you bolded.

Developers, engineers, infrastructure are a part of the same bottom line. All companies have them including Nintendo and Sony, neither of which factor in service fees for online play as a part of their bottom line. This is really restating the obvious.

Burger King. They did the promos along with the Burger King video games. I also recall seeing them Fall 07. It really doesn't matter if they started displaying ads for Xbox edition Nike footwear. They make Dashboard look like a billboard, which would be fine if it were a web browser, but seeing as how its an enclosed system I find it distasteful.

You could make it a hundred friends who just had PS3s that inexplicably broke on them and it still wouldn't validate your claim, particularly since the OP had nothing to do with the reliability of the PS3 which is commonly known to be far greater than the 360.

Nobody is denying this.

The only reason for bringing up one anecdotal comparison is to validate your support of the 360 platform. In buying the hardware and games, I support the platform as well, but as it's far from being the only platform I use for gaming, I'm far less likely to overemphasize its merits in a cheerleader manner while taking a harder look at its shortcomings.

After getting on after our conversation(I honestly do not even notice the adds, msotly ninja stuff right now) I took a look at the ads and all of them are things on the service itself or a standalone product on the 360. Not one was a a product unrelated in any way to media available on the 360. They are just referring people to content available on the service. It could be compared to a billboard if all billboards were portals that took you took the content they were displaying for immediate purchase(ie. demos, movies, tv shows).

Of course all companies have the cost for infrastructure, I wasn't claiming they did not. Saying that they do not include service fees in their bottom line was pretty obvious and in fact quite unnecessary. My statement was in regards to how that affects the company when they do not have money coming in to pay for these things(just saying, "hey, they do not include it in their numbers" does not make it go away). MMO developers need it and they provide a lot of the same infrastructure as XBox Live and people do not have a problem with paying 3 times as much as Live and can only play one game, and they also have to buy the game. Perhaps some thoughts on this would be nice since you have glanced over it twice now.

And the comment about PS3 was to prove a point that RROD shit is over-exaggerated online(especially these forums) and easy to make bold claims about friends. I did not want the claim validated as it was obviously meant not to be. Maybe I did not come off quite as clearly as I wanted on that.  And exaggerated rrod claims IS in regards to this thread, maybe not the op, but the vast majority of responses.