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Pinkie_pie said:
NightlyPoe said:

Yes, easier to build a championship team around them.  You're using a quirk in history that Jordan did win championships because his team was excellent as proof.  Jordan could just as easily have never won a championship in his whole career if not for the right events that he could not control.

If championships are the measure, Bill Russell wins.

Again, I'm looking at the players and what wins games.  I'm not limiting my view to who happened to play better in a 30 game stretch.

What 30 game stretch you on about? You know what wins games? Defense, scoring and will to win and thats what jordan was best at. He never melted down at ant point of his career and always pushed his team and exerted his will. And you know why you should build your team around jordan over lebron? Loyalty. He wont cut and run and is willing to stay and build a good team into a great franchise. That doesnt happen by taking your talents wherever you can win championship. You still havent told me any good reason why you would build a team around bird curry or lebron over jordan. 

HAH Jordan would have peaced out of that Cavs organization.  Most players would have checked out asap.  It was and is incompetently run.  Jordan stuck around because the organization had a brain and was making good moves.  They picked up strong players a few years into Jordan's career and had staff that knew what they were doing.

Honestly, the fact Lebron went back to Cleveland shoots your "chasing rings" argument out of the sky.  He could have had more chances had he stayed in Miami, but he wanted a championship for his home so he went back.  

As for picking players other than Jordan, every player has their place and some are flat out more flexible.  You pick Jordan, your effectiveness is going to be determined by how good of a triangle you can assemble and how good your coach is at running it.  Because that's Jordan's place, as part of the triangle.  Other players you can be a lot more flexible with how you assemble your team and who coaches.  That is less a GOAT discussion thing and more of a strategic thing.  I would personally go Chamberlain over Jordan cause I know he can adapt to at least three radically different roles depending on what you need.