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NightlyPoe said:

Pinkie_pie said:

Its a combination of everything. Wilt playoff avg isnt comparable to jordan and of course championships. Bill stats isnt comparable to jordans and he played with more fellow hall of famers than any other superstar at the time(thats why wilt will always be ranked ahead of bill even though bill has more championships. Kareem has 1 more mvp and huge career stats because he played for 20 years to get those. He also played with 2 players that are top 20 ever. Jordan with pippen who i wouldnt rank in the top 50. Lebron carried 1 bad team to the finals and that was last year when he had no kyrie. The east has been weak thats why we see kawhi carried a toronto team to the finals in his 1st year in the east. Lebron fans like to argue that jordan could never taken the Cleveland team to the finals but we have no idea what jordan could have done with that team. Lebron had to join wade and bosh to be great. Their accomplishments arent comparable. Jordan has more mvps, finals mvp, defensive 1st team, dpoy all in less years. As for magic, bird and curry it shouldnt even be a debate, especially curry.

Longevity is a positive trait and should be factored in.  Particularly when there was no physical reason why Jordan retired.  We probably lost four prime years from Jordan's career because of his mental fragility.  We would have lost more if Chicago hadn't remained a championship level team (Jordan said he wouldn't have come back from his first retirement if Pippen had been traded for Kemp as had been proposed).  That is a definite negative and should be penalized.  The fact that Kareem and Lebron remained dominant players for so long isn't something to just brush off.  Jordan being unable to play without a deck stacked in his favor is not something to overlook.

Toronto's likely to win the championship, so let's put aside the idea that they only made it because the East is weak.  Especially if you're still insisting that the Warriors are as good as they were three years ago.  They're an excellent team with a lot of quality pieces beyond Kawhi, who is obviously a beast in his own right, and will be deserving champs if they win.

You also forget that Lebron dragged the Cavs to the Finals in 2007.

Like I said, if I had to start a team, I would take Bird and Curry over Jordan.  There's just so much more you can do because of what they bring to the table.  They were/are glitches in the system.  Jordan, particularly in the first half of his career was very much a singular sensation that left his teammates just watching him play.  It took Phil Jackson to figure out how to make Jordan work on a team.  I'm not sure how many other coaches could have figured out how to do that, but there aren't many.  I think that pretty much any coach could figure out how to make Curry, Bird, or Lebron work.  Heck, I've lost track of how many mediocre coaches Lebron's had.

I think i should stop after reading you would start a team with bird or curry over jordan. Thats the craziest stuff i read in a while. I would start a team with a guy whos best at scoring and defending over anyone