| fatslob-:O said: It seems to be Samsung paying up AMD for their GPU designs ... AMD's GL drivers are straight up ugly from the pre-GCN days so that's why AMD were the biggest lobbyists for pushing the industry towards DX12/Vulkan ... |
I just don't see the issues you have with OpenGL and Radeon pre-GCN. I have been using ATI/AMD for decades and it's always been usable... Sure performance wasn't as great as nVidia, but overall AMD's GPU's still did well.
| fatslob-:O said: Samsung's GPU designs aren't coming to fruition and likely never will because they have too many damn things going on. They already design their own custom ARM cores but they also deal with logic, DRAM, NAND fabrication and they produce OLED displays as well so there's no point in them trying to chase another market to be self sufficient when they face fierce competition from Apple, Intel, TSMC, SK Hynix, Micron, LG and more to come like BOE or YMTC ... There comes a certain point where businesses will scale down their efficiency as they become too big so there has to be a limit where Samsung cannot expand anymore because it's not safe to rapidly expand your business like Intel has because otherwise you're going to have failures start piling on even within their core competencies like we see with Intel's 10nm logic fabrication technology since there has to cuts in resources in other segments to keep up ... The world as we know it not becoming more generalized but it's becoming more specialized! It's naive on Samsung's part to continue expanding ... Samsung has to use Snapdragon in North America because of Qualcomm's heavy handed licensing terms which involved CDMA technology. US carriers such as Verizon and Sprint are still operating networks which use CDMA technology so mobile device manufacturers have no choice but to accept Qualcomm's modems if they want their phones to be able to work on all North American carriers ... Sprint isn't going to shutdown their CDMA based networks up until the end of 2022 ... (hopefully, mobile chipset designers won't have to pander to patent encumbered technology like CDMA) |
Yeah. I wouldn't discount Samsung out until they actually make an official announcement... Nor would I be willing to engage in hypothetical's/conspiracy theories on whether Samsung is abandoning their own GPU efforts or not.
| fatslob-:O said: The rest of them still have really bad graphics drivers including Qualcomm because they're all too damn focused on other things to care about graphics technology ... Every graphics tech enthusiast out there know that Adreno is an anagram for Radeon and by this point Qualcomm's graphics architecture are vastly different to AMD's. Qualcomm is still probably on scalar/vec4 while AMD is scalar/SIMD ... |
Hence my previous statement of Adreno deviating from the current Radeon paradigm, but retaining some core similarities.
In saying that, there are only so many ways you can skin a cat, so even when comparing AMD and nVidia graphics there are some common (Aka smart) design philosophies... Which isn't inherently a bad thing.
| fatslob-:O said: Nah, they still want a complete package so that mobile device manufacturers don't take their business to Qualcomm ... |
I am not saying that ARM is going to abandon their GPU efforts, just not invest as much time and resources into developing their graphics solutions.
| fatslob-:O said: Well they basically have to since their drivers even take responsibility for some Intel parts using Vega ... AMD are going to have to make drivers for Android if Samsung integrates their designs into the SoCs since AMD could provide better driver support than anyone other big player in the Android world would but hopefully there'll be enough funds from Samsung to provide the drivers ... |
Well no. They don't have to do anything. They may leave that responsibility to Samsung.
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