What is Gender?

[DarthMetalliCube]

Cobretti2 said:

DarthMetalliCube said:

It's another word for biological sex.

I'm sorry if this offends some people here, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Science exists for a reason and you need to respect biology. I'm sorry but chromosomes are real. The biological sex of a human is real. Otherwise it's just theory, science denial, and made up bs.

Women = xx chromosomes, men = xy chromisomes. Period. 

And this is absolutely no disrespect for trans people. I love trans people and don't discredit them at all, I know there's a legitimate psychological trait that makes them trans, and I also realize they go through a lot of shit and I totally respect that.

But straight up men or women who simply identify as the other gender with zero surgery, hormones, etc.. Why are we giving credence to this? If I identify as an alien, am I an alien? What's so wrong about simply stating you're a man with feminine qualities, or a woman with masculine qualities? At what point does this all break down and just become shit we made up? And if we're going to start splitting hairs this much, why have categories at all? Why not just say every single person is a unique gender? To me it's pretty much either all or nothing. And you have to have a foundational basis in these categories otherwise everything just breaks down, blends into eachother, and you have nothing.

I truly apologize if I offended anyone but I swear it comes from a good place and that these are my sincere, honest thoughts on the matter.

So the guys for example that are born with ovaries (in addition to the normal parts), what are they?

Some are saying birth defects, but if we go by science XX and XY,  where do these kinds of people fit in? Are they simple an XX or XY with a defect, or is there some sort of mutation with the chromosomes?

Guys with ovaries? Is that really a thing? Excuse my naivety but I've legitimately never heard of such a case.. 

I mean you said it yourself. It's a guy. A guy that has ovaries. But ultimately, can said guy give birth? Then I suppose you'd call said guy a woman. Not a guy...

I suppose you'd call them mutations. And I don't mean that in any negative sense. But a mutation is a mutation. 

I don't see how this is a legitimate argument to claim that somehow the man = man and woman = woman argument is invalid.

There IS such a thing as biological sex and I'm legitimately scratching my head as to why some seem to think this basic biological/scientific truth should be invalidated.

Or am I missing something? Am I the crazy one? I guess I just don't get what we're trying to do here. 

I'm certainly not down with tearing people down if they want to identify as a woman or whatever. The problem is when you start to deny science, you start to regress as a society, NOT progress. And you ultimately hurt people and society as a whole rather than help them. An example is that you now have trans and men identifying as women and destroying women in female sports. So women are now basically screwed at winning at their own sports because men can now identify as women. Should that be fair to biological women? 

If we're talking about changing the definition of the word GENDER specifically and separating it from biological sex than I'm open to discussion about that I suppose, but that's a different topic. 

I'm not trying to sound like a smart ass but I'm legitimately confused as to what some are trying to argue here. You have men, and you have women. And you have trans men. And you have trans women. End of story. Or am I missing something..?